<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body >I think the suggested idea of a regular newsletter covering the progress and challenges of different pirate parties worldwide is a great one. As I'm working in the EU Parliament with Amelia Andersdotter I can see how such a thing would benefit us in our work. I would also suggest having a separate part about the progress here in eu parl as we here in Brussels are a quite separated entity from the rest of the Swedish pp. <div><br></div><div>I would also advice against putting the project under ppi-flag or sponsorship as that might discourage pirate parties that have chosen to be outside of the ppi from contributing to the newsletter.</div><div><br></div><div>/Mab</div><br><br><br>Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate@valio.ch> skrev:<br><br><br>I certainly would love to see it brought to the next level.<br>Just for short: in case anyone is willing to come forth with a<br>proposal and would like to have some sort of "official" support,<br>you're always welcome to bring it to the PPI board meeting (mail to<br>board[at]pp-international.net) which is taking place every 2nd Tuesday<br>(next one: 17th January 19:00 CET on mumble<br>mumble.piratenpartei-nrw.de in room "/international/pirate parties<br>international/board meeting"). But please formulate it in a clear and<br>concise way which allows the PPI board to take a decision or at least<br>express a clear opinion; i.e. we can't force PPI members to do<br>anything; but<br>* we can appoint pirates into positions in PPI,<br>* we can provide a limited amount of technical infrastructure and<br>* we can publish common statements in the name of PPI (*)<br><br>-pat<br><br>(*) that is, if they're clearly a pirate movement topic; i.e. we would<br>hardly hesitate to publish sth about copyright; but probably not so<br>about basic income or similar, if it's written in a way that could be<br>interpreted as if this has been established as a common pirate<br>movement topic; not that I'm a really fierce critic of the basic<br>income ideal, but I think you get the idea why it would be politically<br>absolutely not feasible for PPI to publish or do anything in that<br>direction.<br><br>On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Justus Römeth <squig@dfpx.de> wrote:<br>> Moin, thanks for your input.<br>><br>> I think it would be better to have a person be responsible for it, (and<br>> given that person the ability to recruit more people) than one pirate party<br>> and rotating it every time. If you did not want another person to learn<br>> everything again every 2 weeks you'd need to compile some basic information<br>> in a wiki anyways, and if you rotate it you either need volunteers or need<br>> to force PPs to do it, so I don't see that system working too well. In light<br>> of that I thought that starting monthly may be better than biweekly, but if<br>> the team is big enough, or the PPs volunteer enough information I don't see<br>> a problem with moving it to biweekly from the start. I also think that the<br>> growth potential is bigger if you have a team doing it a bit more<br>> independently from other duties they may have in their PP, like other<br>> translating the whole thing or putting forward a podcast.<br>> Also, I doubt that some smaller parties can fill an A4 every fortnight with<br>> news, while I have no doubt Sweden or Germany could fill 10 A4s each.<br>><br>> If I were to organize it I would try to just email every PP (I guess<br>> updating a list of email addresses of the persons responsible for that alone<br>> would be quite a task every month) reminding them that they could volunteer<br>> a story or an update for every 'issue' (for want of a better word), and then<br>> compile that. But you could also do interviews, or feature how-tos.<br>><br>> In short, I think if we do it as Mozart describes it is too dependent on<br>> parties volunteering and lacks a responsible person, and is quite limited in<br>> its growth potential. As a kind of distant goal I could see a new<br>> organization like Flaschenpost does it in Germany, but for what is going on<br>> in each and every PP. I do think we have the skills and the manpower for<br>> that.<br>><br>> We are quite good with translating videos and documents that are motivating<br>> or good baseworks for ideological development, and we are very good with<br>> spreading information on things that are relevant internationally (and a lot<br>> of the things we are fighting for/against are). Let's try to get it to the<br>> next level and create a feeling of belonging together!<br>><br>> Justus<br>><br>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Pat Maechler aka Valio <pirate@valio.ch><br>> wrote:<br>>><br>>> ack; you're probably right with that<br>>> hardly anyone is willing do that work more than once if it would be<br>>> just for the sake of being troll-ish or similar<br>>><br>>> On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 11:40 AM, Mozart<br>>> <mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au> wrote:<br>>> > I don't think it has to be that complicated and official. It's merely<br>>> > just a<br>>> > heads up to each party that says "this is what we're up to." Probably<br>>> > the<br>>> > press officer would take responsibility (or the party could just<br>>> > delegate<br>>> > one person to do the write up for that fortnight). Are Pirate Parties<br>>> > worldwide that childish as to have big disagreements over what is<br>>> > essentially an internal bulletin? All parties can volunteer: it's not<br>>> > like<br>>> > anything is gained from doing it except extra work. The individual<br>>> > parties<br>>> > would be responsible for deciding who did the writing or compiling (or<br>>> > even<br>>> > individuals could just say "yeah, I'll do it." As I said, there's no<br>>> > gain to<br>>> > be got.<br>>> ><br>>> > - Mozart.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > On 14/01/2012, at 9:29 PM, Pat Mächler wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > So you would rather opt for a maximum participation-no safeguard<br>>> > solution?<br>>> > Not that I would fight that; I just ask; of course one also has to<br>>> > accept the possible problems that may come with it.<br>>> ><br>>> > Possible safeguards which I did consider<br>>> > 1) a fixed set of parties that are eligible to volunteer or<br>>> > 2) people (i.e. press officers) that are officially appointed by<br>>> > national parties or<br>>> > 3) someone that is coordinating the whole process overall (e.g.<br>>> > appointed by PPI GA or board).<br>>> ><br>>> > -pat<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > On Sat, Jan 14, 2012 at 10:48 AM, Mozart<br>>> > <mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au> wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> > Why not a fortnightly publication with a half an A4 page of information<br>>> > from<br>>> ><br>>> > each Pirate Party? Each fortnight a party could volunteer to format,<br>>> > edit<br>>> ><br>>> > and compile it as a PDF and maybe it could be hosted on PPI or<br>>> > something? It<br>>> ><br>>> > wouldn't be an "official publication," more an internal update, so it<br>>> ><br>>> > wouldn't need to be too formal and professional. As long as it was neat.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > – Mozart (PPAU)<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > On 14/01/2012, at 11:01 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Ahoi Pirates<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > I'll try to take this into my hands after my thesis, so I might as well<br>>> ><br>>> > start the brainstorming now.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > As written in the other mail (on PPDE reaching 20k+ members) it might be<br>>> > a<br>>> ><br>>> > good idea to start an information service about what is going on in the<br>>> ><br>>> > world of the pirate parties. I see this as a way of facilitating news<br>>> > across<br>>> ><br>>> > language barriers (where they seem to stop way too often nowadays) about<br>>> ><br>>> > what is going on in each and every pirate party, a way for know-how to<br>>> > get<br>>> ><br>>> > dispersed, to invite to assemblies and meetings and the likes. The idea<br>>> > is<br>>> ><br>>> > basically to strengthen the feeling that the pirate party movement is an<br>>> ><br>>> > international community, and can then maybe grow to be more than the<br>>> > sums of<br>>> ><br>>> > it's part. In light of a European election coming up in 2014 that may be<br>>> > a<br>>> ><br>>> > good idea.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > I am thinking of a newsletter written monthly for now in the PPI list,<br>>> > and<br>>> ><br>>> > maybe published on a blog (or the PPI website if it is deemed important<br>>> ><br>>> > enough), giving information on day to day political work of different<br>>> > pirate<br>>> ><br>>> > parties, from a local council in some backwater town in Germany to the<br>>> ><br>>> > struggles of pirate parties in Russia, Slowenia, Brazil, Ohio or Marocco<br>>> > to<br>>> ><br>>> > get registered as a nation-/statewide party. At the moment it is quite<br>>> > hard<br>>> ><br>>> > to come by information about what is going on in the different national<br>>> ><br>>> > parties if you don't speak the language, and the idea is to provide a<br>>> > place<br>>> ><br>>> > where that is happening in English.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Once that is running and we have a few contributors actively fanning out<br>>> ><br>>> > through the Internetz to get information on the different parties, and<br>>> ><br>>> > people like it well enough, we could go to publishing more frequently,<br>>> ><br>>> > translating into other languages, maybe even hosting a podcast, and the<br>>> ><br>>> > likes, but that's for the future to see. I think a newsletter every<br>>> > month<br>>> ><br>>> > with stories from 5 to 8 pirate parties is doable.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > I do like the name 'Message in a Bottle' the German PP-affiliated news<br>>> ><br>>> > service has, in English it sounds even better imo. So that would be my<br>>> > idea<br>>> ><br>>> > for a name, but I am up for other ideas. When I get bored over my thesis<br>>> ><br>>> > over the following weeks I'll try to spread the information a bit<br>>> > further.<br>>> ><br>>> > For now I am interested in your input.<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > So to summarize: What do you think about the idea of having a newsletter<br>>> ><br>>> > (that may grow into a news service with blog and so on) in English about<br>>> ><br>>> > what is going on in the different pirate parties. Do you think this is a<br>>> ><br>>> > good tool to foster something like an international community, to<br>>> > support<br>>> ><br>>> > PPI and PWB so to say? Would you be willing to maybe come up with an<br>>> > article<br>>> ><br>>> > every other month to help the service about what is going on in your PP?<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > Cheers<br>>> ><br>>> > Justus<br>>> ><br>>> > ____________________________________________________<br>>> ><br>>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> ><br>>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>>> ><br>>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>>> ><br>>> > Mozart Palmer<br>>> ><br>>> > Head of Media Relations<br>>> ><br>>> > Pirate Party Australia<br>>> ><br>>> > Ph: 0415 152 765<br>>> ><br>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ____________________________________________________<br>>> ><br>>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> ><br>>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>>> ><br>>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ____________________________________________________<br>>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>>> > Mozart Palmer<br>>> > Head of Media Relations<br>>> > Pirate Party Australia<br>>> > Ph: 0415 152 765<br>>> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> ><br>>> > ____________________________________________________<br>>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>>> ><br>>> ____________________________________________________<br>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>>><br>><br>><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>><br>____________________________________________________<br>Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></body>