@ Mozart: Well, it is still Josef's child, so we have to see how he sees the whole thing once he's settled in.<div><br></div><div>Therefore I don't think a mumbledate without him makes much sense. We could open a pad for brainstorming if others think that's a good idea. The least I can do is put the newsletter on my state's list (and the German one should that be wished for) as well, but I think I will have enough time to do more than that.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Pirat@LennStar.de <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I would say we all<br>
1. came to the mumble on the 16 or 17. (when was it?)<br>
2. make a list of our consenus goals (important step, mostly ignored,<br>
the reason why there is more talk than do)<br>
3. look what we need for a goal and where to get it.<br>
<br>
After that it's done a step.<br>
<br>
I for myself could say that (even if I am not able to contribute<br>
regularily) I post the Newsletters on the blog of my german state Pirate<br>
Party. That's distribution.<br>
<br>
LennStar<br>
<br>
Am 15.01.2012 13:52, schrieb Mozart:<br>
<div><div class="h5">> I actually think that your proposal is damn good. I'm glad to see it put<br>
> forward so concisely. My only concern is that then you need to find a<br>
> group of people who will work independently of their own parties. If you<br>
> can do that, I see no reason why the idea shouldn't go ahead, and would<br>
> be more than willing to volunteer for an editorial board if people are<br>
> needed. :-)<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Mozart.<br>
><br>
> PS: Don't underestimate what PPDE sees as "important stuff" – PPs are an<br>
> international movement, and international movements require<br>
> co-operation. I'm not sure if the three-pirate rule applies to PPDE,<br>
> but, if it does, use it.<br>
><br>
> On 15/01/2012, at 11:39 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br>
><br>
>> LOL. The board of PPDE surely has more important stuff to do then to<br>
>> give me permission to do writeups for a project we don't even know the<br>
>> form of.<br>
>><br>
>> If we were to decide to go your road I could do that (though I have no<br>
>> idea if that will be successful or not).<br>
>><br>
>> I really appreciate your energy and input. But I am not sure that<br>
>> every PP can, or wants to set this up the way PPAU does. And while it<br>
>> is important that a project like this does not seem like one PP is<br>
>> trying to put forward it's views and neglects the ones of the rest,<br>
>> especially keeping in mind the eurocentrism we have in the PPs<br>
>> already, I doubt this will work without some kind of project<br>
>> leadership/management/name it as you will.<br>
>><br>
>> Maybe we have a bit of a different idea on how this could work:<br>
>><br>
>> You seem to think that it should be done by the parties itself, by<br>
>> officials, with a sort of oversight, but also responsibility to<br>
>> support it, of the respective party leadership.<br>
>><br>
>> I think we gain more if we set up an independent entitiy, a service<br>
>> that, even though it is reporting on the pirate parties, and depends<br>
>> on them to give information and technical assistance, is actually<br>
>> independent of the structure of both PPI and the national parties. I<br>
>> think that is more flexible, since every party can respons to it as it<br>
>> sees fit, but as long as there are a few people willing to push it<br>
>> forward as a kind of editorial board something will happen.<br>
>> That would not stop PPAU to put forward a person to write those<br>
>> reports every month or every fortnight. But the other parties could<br>
>> react to it as they see fit.<br>
>><br>
>> kind regards -J<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Mozart<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a><br>
</div></div><div class="im">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Now is the time to get yourself known. Email the board and ask<br>
>> them for permission to do the write ups, or tell them do to it<br>
>> themselves!<br>
>><br>
>> Mozart<br>
>> PPAU<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 15/01/2012, at 11:01 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br>
>><br>
>>> And, it has another flaw: Most people on the board of PPDE don't<br>
>>> even know me . So you also lose volunteers that are not known<br>
>>> within big PPs.<br>
>>><br>
>>> 2012/1/15 Rok Andrée <<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a><br>
</div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a>>><br>
<div class="im">>>><br>
>>> That's a good idea, but it has one flaw.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Most PPs dont have the man power to even run them selfs. We<br>
>>> could write a report once a month, but we really cant give<br>
>>> some one to you to work on this.<br>
>>><br>
>>> Lp<br>
>>> Rok Andrée<br>
>>> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> On 15 January 2012 03:05, Mozart<br>
>>> <<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a><br>
</div><div class="im">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a>>> wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>> I've got a good idea. Why not email out to each Pirate<br>
>>> Party asking for a representative to work on the<br>
>>> newsletter? After a set time (maybe a month, to allow<br>
>>> responses), those representatives could meet together and<br>
>>> discuss how best to create the newsletter, the resources<br>
>>> needed, and how to ensure it is actually produced.<br>
>>><br>
>>> On 15/01/2012, at 9:32 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br>
>>><br>
>>>> That's what I thought as well.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> I think a good way to spread it further would be to send<br>
>>>> one version to the PPI list, that way everybody who<br>
>>>> reads this list gets the update automatically. Shouldn't<br>
>>>> PPDE or PPSE have an infrastructure in place for<br>
>>>> newsletter we could use, too? Seems like the easiest way<br>
>>>> for me.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> 2012/1/14 Rok Andrée <<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a><br>
</div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a>>><br>
<div class="im">>>>><br>
>>>> What if you all joined forces and worked together.<br>
>>>> The two of you could really make real attempt at a<br>
>>>> good, helpful, efficient service that would have a<br>
>>>> very big effect on the effectiveness of the<br>
>>>> international movement.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> And as far as your infrastructure goes... i'm shure<br>
>>>> that we can find someone to help you with that. As<br>
>>>> long as you provide content we will find you the<br>
>>>> infrastructure to deploy it.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Lp<br>
>>>> Rok Andrée<br>
>>>> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> On 14 January 2012 22:33, Josef Ohlsson Collentine<br>
</div>>>>> <<a href="mailto:josef@collentine.com">josef@collentine.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:josef@collentine.com">josef@collentine.com</a>>><br>
<div class="im">>>>> wrote:<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> Seeing that Rok already shared the url of my<br>
>>>> project I might as well explain it here.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> http:// <a href="http://changingpirateparties.net/about" target="_blank">changingpirateparties.net/about</a><br>
</div>>>>> <<a href="http://changingpirateparties.net/about" target="_blank">http://changingpirateparties.net/about</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>>><br>
>>>> The newsletter will always focus on four<br>
>>>> different areas:<br>
</div>>>>> *1) Global PP news 2) Organizational tips 3)<br>
>>>> Election Results and changes 4) Important dates*<br>
<div class="im">>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> This newsletter has been pretty much what you<br>
>>>> have described about the PP Press Service in<br>
>>>> some ways. It's been a project reaching about<br>
>>>> 100 pirates in +15 countries. A monthly<br>
>>>> newsletter aimed at pirate news with a global<br>
>>>> interest. It's been inactive lately due to me<br>
>>>> finishing off my thesis and relocating to<br>
>>>> Mexico. Will start it again once I'm a bit more<br>
>>>> settled here in Mexico.<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> The reason I haven't told that many about the<br>
>>>> newsletter is because it's been created through<br>
>>>> a newsletter service with limited audience<br>
>>>> possibilities. Also because I wanted to try<br>
>>>> concepts and ideas before going too public with<br>
>>>> it. Going to re-shape the project a bit now and<br>
>>>> involve more persons soon. Looking to change my<br>
>>>> newsletter service from <a href="http://madmimi.com" target="_blank">madmimi.com</a><br>
</div>>>>> <<a href="http://madmimi.com" target="_blank">http://madmimi.com</a>> that I've been using so<br>
<div class="im">>>>> far. Preferably something with free software and<br>
>>>> easy to use (adding pictures, text and basic<br>
>>>> layout). Any suggestions?<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> /Josef<br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ---<br>
>>>> International Contact Person PPSE<br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>>><br>
>>>><br>
>>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>><br>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
>>> Mozart Palmer<br>
>>> Head of Media Relations<br>
>>> Pirate Party Australia<br>
>>> Ph: 0415 152 765<br>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
>>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ____________________________________________________<br>
>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
><br>
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