<html><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Yeah, I was just pushing for some sort of general move towards decisiveness. It worked! =) I agree, it is his child, and he has delivered a fairly good starting point (voluntary participation, independent news service, and able to have editorial discretion), so I fully support the idea, and his leadership of it. Mumble would be pointless if he wasn't present. A pad is a good idea, but I'm happy to wait and see what Josef has in mind.<div><div><br></div><div><div><div>On 16/01/2012, at 1:52 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">@ Mozart: Well, it is still Josef's child, so we have to see how he sees the whole thing once he's settled in.<div><br></div><div>Therefore I don't think a mumbledate without him makes much sense. We could open a pad for brainstorming if others think that's a good idea. The least I can do is put the newsletter on my state's list (and the German one should that be wished for) as well, but I think I will have enough time to do more than that.<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 3:10 PM, <a href="mailto:Pirat@LennStar.de">Pirat@LennStar.de</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> I would say we all<br> 1. came to the mumble on the 16 or 17. (when was it?)<br> 2. make a list of our consenus goals (important step, mostly ignored,<br> the reason why there is more talk than do)<br> 3. look what we need for a goal and where to get it.<br> <br> After that it's done a step.<br> <br> I for myself could say that (even if I am not able to contribute<br> regularily) I post the Newsletters on the blog of my german state Pirate<br> Party. That's distribution.<br> <br> LennStar<br> <br> Am 15.01.2012 13:52, schrieb Mozart:<br> <div><div class="h5">> I actually think that your proposal is damn good. I'm glad to see it put<br> > forward so concisely. My only concern is that then you need to find a<br> > group of people who will work independently of their own parties. If you<br> > can do that, I see no reason why the idea shouldn't go ahead, and would<br> > be more than willing to volunteer for an editorial board if people are<br> > needed. :-)<br> ><br> > Regards,<br> > Mozart.<br> ><br> > PS: Don't underestimate what PPDE sees as "important stuff" – PPs are an<br> > international movement, and international movements require<br> > co-operation. I'm not sure if the three-pirate rule applies to PPDE,<br> > but, if it does, use it.<br> ><br> > On 15/01/2012, at 11:39 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br> ><br> >> LOL. The board of PPDE surely has more important stuff to do then to<br> >> give me permission to do writeups for a project we don't even know the<br> >> form of.<br> >><br> >> If we were to decide to go your road I could do that (though I have no<br> >> idea if that will be successful or not).<br> >><br> >> I really appreciate your energy and input. But I am not sure that<br> >> every PP can, or wants to set this up the way PPAU does. And while it<br> >> is important that a project like this does not seem like one PP is<br> >> trying to put forward it's views and neglects the ones of the rest,<br> >> especially keeping in mind the eurocentrism we have in the PPs<br> >> already, I doubt this will work without some kind of project<br> >> leadership/management/name it as you will.<br> >><br> >> Maybe we have a bit of a different idea on how this could work:<br> >><br> >> You seem to think that it should be done by the parties itself, by<br> >> officials, with a sort of oversight, but also responsibility to<br> >> support it, of the respective party leadership.<br> >><br> >> I think we gain more if we set up an independent entitiy, a service<br> >> that, even though it is reporting on the pirate parties, and depends<br> >> on them to give information and technical assistance, is actually<br> >> independent of the structure of both PPI and the national parties. I<br> >> think that is more flexible, since every party can respons to it as it<br> >> sees fit, but as long as there are a few people willing to push it<br> >> forward as a kind of editorial board something will happen.<br> >> That would not stop PPAU to put forward a person to write those<br> >> reports every month or every fortnight. But the other parties could<br> >> react to it as they see fit.<br> >><br> >> kind regards -J<br> >><br> >><br> >> On Sun, Jan 15, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Mozart<br> >> <<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a><br> </div></div><div class="im">>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a>>> wrote:<br> >><br> >> Now is the time to get yourself known. Email the board and ask<br> >> them for permission to do the write ups, or tell them do to it<br> >> themselves!<br> >><br> >> Mozart<br> >> PPAU<br> >><br> >><br> >> On 15/01/2012, at 11:01 PM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br> >><br> >>> And, it has another flaw: Most people on the board of PPDE don't<br> >>> even know me . So you also lose volunteers that are not known<br> >>> within big PPs.<br> >>><br> >>> 2012/1/15 Rok Andrée <<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a><br> </div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a>>><br> <div class="im">>>><br> >>> That's a good idea, but it has one flaw.<br> >>><br> >>> Most PPs dont have the man power to even run them selfs. We<br> >>> could write a report once a month, but we really cant give<br> >>> some one to you to work on this.<br> >>><br> >>> Lp<br> >>> Rok Andrée<br> >>> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> On 15 January 2012 03:05, Mozart<br> >>> <<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a><br> </div><div class="im">>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au">mozart.palmer@pirateparty.org.au</a>>> wrote:<br> >>><br> >>> I've got a good idea. Why not email out to each Pirate<br> >>> Party asking for a representative to work on the<br> >>> newsletter? After a set time (maybe a month, to allow<br> >>> responses), those representatives could meet together and<br> >>> discuss how best to create the newsletter, the resources<br> >>> needed, and how to ensure it is actually produced.<br> >>><br> >>> On 15/01/2012, at 9:32 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br> >>><br> >>>> That's what I thought as well.<br> >>>><br> >>>> I think a good way to spread it further would be to send<br> >>>> one version to the PPI list, that way everybody who<br> >>>> reads this list gets the update automatically. Shouldn't<br> >>>> PPDE or PPSE have an infrastructure in place for<br> >>>> newsletter we could use, too? Seems like the easiest way<br> >>>> for me.<br> >>>><br> >>>> 2012/1/14 Rok Andrée <<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a><br> </div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:rok.andree@piratskastranka.net">rok.andree@piratskastranka.net</a>>><br> <div class="im">>>>><br> >>>> What if you all joined forces and worked together.<br> >>>> The two of you could really make real attempt at a<br> >>>> good, helpful, efficient service that would have a<br> >>>> very big effect on the effectiveness of the<br> >>>> international movement.<br> >>>><br> >>>> And as far as your infrastructure goes... i'm shure<br> >>>> that we can find someone to help you with that. As<br> >>>> long as you provide content we will find you the<br> >>>> infrastructure to deploy it.<br> >>>><br> >>>> Lp<br> >>>> Rok Andrée<br> >>>> Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> On 14 January 2012 22:33, Josef Ohlsson Collentine<br> </div>>>>> <<a href="mailto:josef@collentine.com">josef@collentine.com</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:josef@collentine.com">josef@collentine.com</a>>><br> <div class="im">>>>> wrote:<br> >>>><br> >>>> Seeing that Rok already shared the url of my<br> >>>> project I might as well explain it here.<br> >>>><br> >>>> http:// <a href="http://changingpirateparties.net/about" target="_blank">changingpirateparties.net/about</a><br> </div>>>>> <<a href="http://changingpirateparties.net/about" target="_blank">http://changingpirateparties.net/about</a>><br> <div class="im">>>>><br> >>>> The newsletter will always focus on four<br> >>>> different areas:<br> </div>>>>> *1) Global PP news 2) Organizational tips 3)<br> >>>> Election Results and changes 4) Important dates*<br> <div class="im">>>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> This newsletter has been pretty much what you<br> >>>> have described about the PP Press Service in<br> >>>> some ways. It's been a project reaching about<br> >>>> 100 pirates in +15 countries. A monthly<br> >>>> newsletter aimed at pirate news with a global<br> >>>> interest. It's been inactive lately due to me<br> >>>> finishing off my thesis and relocating to<br> >>>> Mexico. Will start it again once I'm a bit more<br> >>>> settled here in Mexico.<br> >>>><br> >>>> The reason I haven't told that many about the<br> >>>> newsletter is because it's been created through<br> >>>> a newsletter service with limited audience<br> >>>> possibilities. Also because I wanted to try<br> >>>> concepts and ideas before going too public with<br> >>>> it. Going to re-shape the project a bit now and<br> >>>> involve more persons soon. Looking to change my<br> >>>> newsletter service from <a href="http://madmimi.com" target="_blank">madmimi.com</a><br> </div>>>>> <<a href="http://madmimi.com" target="_blank">http://madmimi.com</a>> that I've been using so<br> <div class="im">>>>> far. Preferably something with free software and<br> >>>> easy to use (adding pictures, text and basic<br> >>>> layout). Any suggestions?<br> >>>><br> >>>> /Josef<br> >>>><br> >>>> ---<br> >>>> International Contact Person PPSE<br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >>>><br> >>>><br> >>>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >>><br> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> >>> Mozart Palmer<br> >>> Head of Media Relations<br> >>> Pirate Party Australia<br> >>> Ph: 0415 152 765<br> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~<br> >>><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >>><br> >>><br> >>> ____________________________________________________<br> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >><br> >> ____________________________________________________<br> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="im">>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> >><br> >><br> >> ____________________________________________________<br> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> </div>>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br> <div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> ><br> ><br> > ____________________________________________________<br> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> > <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> <br> ____________________________________________________<br> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br> <br> </div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> ____________________________________________________<br>Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br><a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></blockquote></div><br><div> <span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div>Mozart Palmer</div><div>Head of Media Relations</div><div>Pirate Party Australia</div><div>Ph: 0415 152 765</div><div>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~</div><div><br></div></div></span></div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"> </div><br></div></div></body></html>