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The problem is not really about finding an alternative formula for a perfect world... it is about finding a doable way to deal appropriately with those that will not voluntarily abandon the rotten logics they have built their present world with and continue thus to poison any alternatives present and future.<br><br>That is what many of the ideologic alternatives have not solved yet... clearly understanding the present issues we face. Take for instance the degrowth movement, or the zapatista indigenous movement. While they could easily thrive on their own and develop if left alone, their structures and internal logic lack any argument that could be used to build defences against an external aggressor. Once some in the west developed aggressive logics... they were doomed, and still are. There is no solution in copying lifestyles of people without defence against aggressive logic... the only defence is to analyse these aggressive logics thoroughly and defuse the causes that lead to it.<br><br>Not an easy thing to do when a lifetime of ideological activism and propaganda makes your mind into a permanent battlefield where you seldom get enough time to think things out thoroughly.<br> <br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> From: rata_0071@hotmail.com<br>> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2012 15:19:09 -0300<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] MegaUpload raided, shut down on request of US authorities<br>> <br>> How about cooperativism?<br>> <br>> aza<br>> 2012/1/24 Marcus Kesler <marcus@d-usa.info>:<br>> > The majority of the talking heads and population in the US seem to think<br>> > that socialism = communism.<br>> ><br>> > Marcus<br>> ><br>> > On 1/24/2012 10:47 AM, Justus Römeth wrote:<br>> >> But that is a long cry from communism.<br>> >><br>> >> On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Jan Lettow <janlettow@gmail.com<br>> >> <mailto:janlettow@gmail.com>> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> "Socialism for the Rich, Capitalism for the Poor" seems indeed fitting.<br>> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism_for_the_rich_and_capitalism_for_the_poor<br>> >><br>> >> It also applies well to the copyright debate. Goverments propping up<br>> >> doomed media-giants ain't no free market in my book.<br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> <mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net><br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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