2012/1/29 Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>Moin Kenneth</div>
<div><br></div>We are (or rather our leadership is) slow, so actually there is nothing decided yet.<div><br></div><div>IMO all you write is true, but smaller PPs can win much more than PPDE in this case, we already have our name out there.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I agree with that point, because media can be harmful, but I think, in that case, the best thing is just to keep a low profile and not to say anything (just like time ago with Anonymous movement :P) because whatever you do, it will be harmful. So I agree it could be better not to say anything in favor or against it, but I only want to you to understand that isn't about MU, but about a violation of costumers rights, seizure of data, privacy, etc.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div> Anyways, it's not like we actually oppose you, is it? Afaik nobody official from PPDE has put forward an opinion to the matter, everything else were just individual opinions.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Having said that, the fact that the US is more of a police state than we would like, and that it is unlikely anybody is gonna get his data back is a shame, but probably nothing a court ruling in Europe will change. And I doubt we could win a case in the US (if we were to try that we should get the EFF on board, however).<br>
<br>Kind regards</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><div><br></div></font></span><div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-J</font></span><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:40 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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PP-DE is acting SHAMEFULLY in this case.<br>
<br>
What about the personal data of people using MU? didn't you had a
principle about defending privacy?<br>
<br>
Shame.<br>
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Al 29/01/12 15:37, En/na Choms ha escrit:
<div><div><blockquote type="cite">Presumption of innocence? Oh, wait, that doesn't
exists on the US... if so, imho, you have to wait for a trial
before condemn someone... but who cares about justice? :)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/29 Christian Hufgard <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de" target="_blank">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>></span><br>
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<div>On 29.01.2012 11:29, Josep Sànchez wrote:<br>
>> You are also allowed to lose your money by
investing in criminal<br>
>> stock companies.<br>
><br>
> That's not the actual situation. In my country when
anybody does any<br>
> action it is responsible for the collateral damages it
might cause, and<br>
> it's even more serious if they could have avoided or
previewed them and<br>
> didn't do it. It doesn't matter if its an individual, a
government<br>
> officer or a policeman.<br>
> Are laws different in your country and in the USA?<br>
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Don't know about the US, but in germany police in nearly never
made<br>
responsible for whatever they do. We had even our parties
server raided<br>
a couple of days before an election without any
consequences...<br>
<div><br>
> MU was not a "criminal company" *until* Virginia State
authorities told<br>
> the Feds to seize it.<br>
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Of course they were, otherwise the hadn't been raided. (A
judge or a<br>
jury still might decide something different)<br>
<div><br>
> People could hire their services until that moment<br>
> as they could do with any other company in the net.
Financial services,<br>
> ISP's and even US tax authorities were operating
normally with MU. Are<br>
> they also criminals?.<br>
<br>
</div>
What for was Al Capone sent to Alcatraz? Murder or not paying
his taxes?<br>
<div><br>
<br>
>> Well, that's your point of view. I don't think the
Feds or Virginia<br>
>> State are responsible to keep MU running. And if
the court determines<br>
>> the raid was illegal, they gonna have to pay a
pretty huge amount of<br>
>> money to Kim and his fellows.<br>
><br>
> First was a matter of money, now of who has to run the
service, what<br>
> next? :)<br>
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Finally it's the matter of reason. If the law in the US does
not force<br>
the Feds to keep a service online they were told to shut down,
why<br>
should they do so?<br>
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Christian<br>
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