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Some pro-SGAE (Spanish RIAA+MPAA) artists have attacked us because
of this campaign, right.<br>
<br>
You know what was the result of these attacks against us? we grew an
8%.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
Al 29/01/12 16:05, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
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cite="mid:CACWaH_AU4u_pAsP_svTL=x3HsbkYZc7-QkDbKTinrU9mY+F=HA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I do understand that. I think most of PPDE understands
that. But that doesn't mean that our media will understand it, or
that they or the other parties won't use it against us, even if we
try to explain it to them. And if that happens the part of the
public that we need to win over to make the 5% threshold in the
upcoming elections in Schleswig Holstein and Saarland, where we
stand at 5 and 4 % respectively won't understand it neither. (Not
to mention that it will likely not make a big difference for the
success of the lawsuit whether PPDE takes part in it or not), our
political and legal system is quite geared to not make the US
angry at us again, somewhat understandably ;-)<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Choms <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:choms@botmania.net">choms@botmania.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="im">2012/1/29 Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de"
target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span><br>
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<div>Moin Kenneth</div>
<div><br>
</div>
We are (or rather our leadership is) slow, so actually
there is nothing decided yet.
<div><br>
</div>
<div>IMO all you write is true, but smaller PPs can win
much more than PPDE in this case, we already have our
name out there.</div>
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<div>I agree with that point, because media can be harmful,
but I think, in that case, the best thing is just to keep a
low profile and not to say anything (just like time ago with
Anonymous movement :P) because whatever you do, it will be
harmful. So I agree it could be better not to say anything
in favor or against it, but I only want to you to understand
that isn't about MU, but about a violation of costumers
rights, seizure of data, privacy, etc.</div>
<div class="HOEnZb">
<div class="h5">
<div> </div>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
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<div> Anyways, it's not like we actually oppose you, is
it? Afaik nobody official from PPDE has put forward an
opinion to the matter, everything else were just
individual opinions.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Having said that, the fact that the US is more of a
police state than we would like, and that it is
unlikely anybody is gonna get his data back is a
shame, but probably nothing a court ruling in Europe
will change. And I doubt we could win a case in the US
(if we were to try that we should get the EFF on
board, however).<br>
<br>
Kind regards</div>
<span><font color="#888888">
<div><br>
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</font></span>
<div><span><font color="#888888">-J</font></span>
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<div><br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at
3:40 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"
target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc
solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> PP-DE
is acting SHAMEFULLY in this case.<br>
<br>
What about the personal data of people using
MU? didn't you had a principle about
defending privacy?<br>
<br>
Shame.<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Al 29/01/12 15:37, En/na Choms ha escrit:
<div>
<div>
<blockquote type="cite">Presumption of
innocence? Oh, wait, that doesn't
exists on the US... if so, imho, you
have to wait for a trial before
condemn someone... but who cares about
justice? :)<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/29
Christian Hufgard <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de"
target="_blank">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>></span><br>
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style="margin:0 0 0
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solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On 29.01.2012 11:29, Josep
Sànchez wrote:<br>
>> You are also allowed
to lose your money by investing
in criminal<br>
>> stock companies.<br>
><br>
> That's not the actual
situation. In my country when
anybody does any<br>
> action it is responsible
for the collateral damages it
might cause, and<br>
> it's even more serious if
they could have avoided or
previewed them and<br>
> didn't do it. It doesn't
matter if its an individual, a
government<br>
> officer or a policeman.<br>
> Are laws different in your
country and in the USA?<br>
<br>
</div>
Don't know about the US, but in
germany police in nearly never
made<br>
responsible for whatever they do.
We had even our parties server
raided<br>
a couple of days before an
election without any
consequences...<br>
<div><br>
> MU was not a "criminal
company" *until* Virginia State
authorities told<br>
> the Feds to seize it.<br>
<br>
</div>
Of course they were, otherwise the
hadn't been raided. (A judge or a<br>
jury still might decide something
different)<br>
<div><br>
> People could hire their
services until that moment<br>
> as they could do with any
other company in the net.
Financial services,<br>
> ISP's and even US tax
authorities were operating
normally with MU. Are<br>
> they also criminals?.<br>
<br>
</div>
What for was Al Capone sent to
Alcatraz? Murder or not paying his
taxes?<br>
<div><br>
<br>
>> Well, that's your point
of view. I don't think the Feds
or Virginia<br>
>> State are responsible
to keep MU running. And if the
court determines<br>
>> the raid was illegal,
they gonna have to pay a pretty
huge amount of<br>
>> money to Kim and his
fellows.<br>
><br>
> First was a matter of
money, now of who has to run the
service, what<br>
> next? :)<br>
<br>
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Finally it's the matter of reason.
If the law in the US does not
force<br>
the Feds to keep a service online
they were told to shut down, why<br>
should they do so?<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br>
Christian<br>
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