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    Some pro-SGAE (Spanish RIAA+MPAA) artists have attacked us because
    of this campaign, right.<br>
    <br>
    You know what was the result of these attacks against us? we grew an
    8%.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    <br>
    Kenneth<br>
    <br>
    Al 29/01/12 16:05, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CACWaH_AU4u_pAsP_svTL=x3HsbkYZc7-QkDbKTinrU9mY+F=HA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">I do understand that. I think most of PPDE understands
      that. But that doesn't mean that our media will understand it, or
      that they or the other parties won't use it against us, even if we
      try to explain it to them. And if that happens the part of the
      public that we need to win over to make the 5% threshold in the
      upcoming elections in Schleswig Holstein and Saarland, where we
      stand at 5 and 4 % respectively won't understand it neither. (Not
      to mention that it will likely not make a big difference for the
      success of the lawsuit whether PPDE takes part in it or not), our
      political and legal system is quite geared to not make the US
      angry at us again, somewhat understandably ;-)<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 3:56 PM, Choms <span
          dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:choms@botmania.net">choms@botmania.net</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div class="im">2012/1/29 Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a
                moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de"
                target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span><br>
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              <div>Moin Kenneth</div>
              <div><br>
              </div>
              We are (or rather our leadership is) slow, so actually
              there is nothing decided yet.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>IMO all you write is true, but smaller PPs can win
                much more than PPDE in this case, we already have our
                name out there.</div>
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            <div><br>
            </div>
          </div>
          <div>I agree with that point, because media can be harmful,
            but I think, in that case, the best thing is just to keep a
            low profile and not to say anything (just like time ago with
            Anonymous movement :P) because whatever you do, it will be
            harmful. So I agree it could be better not to say anything
            in favor or against it, but I only want to you to understand
            that isn't about MU, but about a violation of costumers
            rights, seizure of data, privacy, etc.</div>
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              <div> </div>
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                <div> Anyways, it's not like we actually oppose you, is
                  it? Afaik nobody official from PPDE has put forward an
                  opinion to the matter, everything else were just
                  individual opinions.</div>
                <div><br>
                </div>
                <div>Having said that, the fact that the US is more of a
                  police state than we would like, and that it is
                  unlikely anybody is gonna get his data back is a
                  shame, but probably nothing a court ruling in Europe
                  will change. And I doubt we could win a case in the US
                  (if we were to try that we should get the EFF on
                  board, however).<br>
                  <br>
                  Kind regards</div>
                <span><font color="#888888">
                    <div><br>
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                  </font></span>
                <div><span><font color="#888888">-J</font></span>
                  <div>
                    <div><br>
                      <br>
                      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at
                        3:40 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
                            moz-do-not-send="true"
                            href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"
                            target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
                        wrote:<br>
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                          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> PP-DE
                            is acting SHAMEFULLY in this case.<br>
                            <br>
                            What about the personal data of people using
                            MU? didn't you had a principle about
                            defending privacy?<br>
                            <br>
                            Shame.<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Al 29/01/12 15:37, En/na Choms ha escrit:
                            <div>
                              <div>
                                <blockquote type="cite">Presumption of
                                  innocence? Oh, wait, that doesn't
                                  exists on the US... if so, imho, you
                                  have to wait for a trial before
                                  condemn someone... but who cares about
                                  justice? :)<br>
                                  <br>
                                  <div class="gmail_quote">2012/1/29
                                    Christian Hufgard <span dir="ltr"><<a
                                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                                        href="mailto:pp@christian-hufgard.de"
                                        target="_blank">pp@christian-hufgard.de</a>></span><br>
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                                      <div>On 29.01.2012 11:29, Josep
                                        Sànchez wrote:<br>
                                        >>  You are also allowed
                                        to lose your money by investing
                                        in criminal<br>
                                        >> stock companies.<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        > That's not the actual
                                        situation. In my country when
                                        anybody does any<br>
                                        > action it is responsible
                                        for the collateral damages it
                                        might cause, and<br>
                                        > it's even more serious if
                                        they could have avoided or
                                        previewed them and<br>
                                        > didn't do it. It doesn't
                                        matter if its an individual, a
                                        government<br>
                                        > officer or a policeman.<br>
                                        > Are laws different in your
                                        country and in the USA?<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Don't know about the US, but in
                                      germany police in nearly never
                                      made<br>
                                      responsible for whatever they do.
                                      We had even our parties server
                                      raided<br>
                                      a couple of days before an
                                      election without any
                                      consequences...<br>
                                      <div><br>
                                        > MU was not a "criminal
                                        company" *until* Virginia State
                                        authorities told<br>
                                        > the Feds to seize it.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      Of course they were, otherwise the
                                      hadn't been raided. (A judge or a<br>
                                      jury still might decide something
                                      different)<br>
                                      <div><br>
                                        > People could hire their
                                        services until that moment<br>
                                        > as they could do with any
                                        other company in the net.
                                        Financial services,<br>
                                        > ISP's and even US tax
                                        authorities were operating
                                        normally with MU. Are<br>
                                        > they also criminals?.<br>
                                        <br>
                                      </div>
                                      What for was Al Capone sent to
                                      Alcatraz? Murder or not paying his
                                      taxes?<br>
                                      <div><br>
                                        <br>
                                        >> Well, that's your point
                                        of view. I don't think the Feds
                                        or Virginia<br>
                                        >> State are responsible
                                        to keep MU running. And if the
                                        court determines<br>
                                        >> the raid was illegal,
                                        they gonna have to pay a pretty
                                        huge amount of<br>
                                        >> money to Kim and his
                                        fellows.<br>
                                        ><br>
                                        > First was a matter of
                                        money, now of who has to run the
                                        service, what<br>
                                        > next? :)<br>
                                        <br>
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                                      Finally it's the matter of reason.
                                      If the law in the US does not
                                      force<br>
                                      the Feds to keep a service online
                                      they were told to shut down, why<br>
                                      should they do so?<br>
                                      <span><font color="#888888"><br>
                                          <br>
                                          Christian<br>
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