Please keep also in mind that we are talking about the same commission that thinks that public consultation, or a public debate about data retention is something negative and should be avoided.<div><br></div><div>As someone who is studying about Europe I see this blatant anti-democratic doing and arguing as very negative, and something we should be fighting again. One of the short-to-mid-term goals of the pirate parties in Europe should be to make the process of how commissioners get elected/chosen more (direct-) democratic.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 4:28 PM, Pirat@LennStar.de <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
and part 3: EU-Commission doesn't want legal advise on new version of<br>
data retention directive to be published (ger)<br>
<a href="http://netzpolitik.org/2012/eu-kommission-vorratsdatenspeicherung-zu-sensibel-fur-offentliche-debatte/" target="_blank">http://netzpolitik.org/2012/eu-kommission-vorratsdatenspeicherung-zu-sensibel-fur-offentliche-debatte/</a><br>
<br>
LennStar<br>
<br>
He, who has nothing to hide, has nothing to fear ;)<br>
<br>
Am <a href="tel:21.02.2012%2016" value="+12102201216">21.02.2012 16</a>:20, schrieb Justus Römeth:<br>
<div class="im">> Even if you interpret it in a positive way ("protests are democratic,<br>
> some of the goals behind them are not") you have to wonder what exactly<br>
> they are talking about.<br>
><br>
> On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Pirat@LennStar.de <<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a><br>
</div><div class="im">> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pirat@lennstar.de">pirat@lennstar.de</a>>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> The story is from iRights and should be true. I asked for the protocoll,<br>
> their answer was that it was agreed with the "leaker" to only quote the<br>
> passages.<br>
> <a href="http://irights.info/blog/arbeit2.0/2012/02/20/europaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch/" target="_blank">http://irights.info/blog/arbeit2.0/2012/02/20/europaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch/</a><br>
><br>
> But there was already a few days ago the Music Industry and such likes<br>
> who framed the protest as an "attack on the democratic institutions of<br>
> the EU".<br>
> So it is no surprise at all hearing the Commission saying basically the<br>
> same.<br>
><br>
> Using the term "broad society" when benefitting a few industries while<br>
> damaging all the others look a bit odd, though ;)<br>
><br>
> LennStar<br>
><br>
</div>> Am <a href="tel:21.02.2012%2010" value="+12102201210">21.02.2012 10</a> <tel:21.02.2012%2010>:27, schrieb Mattias Bjärnemalm:<br>
<div class="im">> > Google translate is not always good for understanding nuances. But<br>
> if I<br>
> > read the text correctly the commission doesnt speak about the protests<br>
> > as being undemocratic, but of the aims of some of the people<br>
> behind the<br>
> > protests being not democratic ( which is most likely true). The<br>
> mention<br>
> > of the word undemocratic seems to be from whoever wrote the blog post.<br>
> ><br>
> > But perhaps the translation mixes up things for me?<br>
> ><br>
> > /Mab<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
</div>> > Pat Maechler aka Valio <<a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a>>><br>
<div class="im">> skrev:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > can someone deny or confirm this?<br>
> ><br>
> > according to this story some leaked internal meeting minutes the EU<br>
> > commission discusses the European wide protests against ACTA as being<br>
> > undemocratic...hm....speaking about ACTA...<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> <a href="http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F" target="_blank">http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F</a><br>
> <<a href="http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F" target="_blank">http://translate.google.ch/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Firights.info%2Fblog%2Farbeit2.0%2F2012%2F02%2F20%2Feuropaische-kommission-halt-acta-protest-fur-teilweise-undemokratisch%2F</a>><br>
> ><br>
> > given this story is true, it would be a huge "WTF?" for the EU<br>
> > commission from my POV<br>
> ><br>
> > -pat<br>
> > ____________________________________________________<br>
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">> > <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ____________________________________________________<br>
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="im">> > <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
> ____________________________________________________<br>
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
</div>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> ____________________________________________________<br>
> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
<br>
____________________________________________________<br>
Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
<br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br></div>