2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia, as your local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen as an aggression by most pp-cat members, do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and let's start a war right now.<div>
<br></div></div></blockquote><div>Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say "Waaaaar" and all the Catalans put their helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and rumble the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the least.<br>
<br>Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the Catalan arm of Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before* the so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan way (many of them having a double affiliation still now). So soft are we nowadays.<br>
<br>Daniel<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><br></div><div>And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of 'getting close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that you need a general assembly to change so, with a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never reach that qourum until there's only 3 members :(</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Kenneth<br><span style="font-size:small"><br></span></div></div><br>Eduardo Perdices <<a href="mailto:edupergar@gmail.com" target="_blank">edupergar@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<br>
Hello,<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Justus,<div class="im"><br>
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PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked
like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly<u> it fucked up and got
frozen again.</u>.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
since 2006.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="im">This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it myself. <br> </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain,
to define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's
one), where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid,
Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become
members of the confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the
confederation members.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="im">Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already included on our new statutes, we just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides, the rest of regions are not going to be federated regional parties, but associations inside PP-ES.<br>
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However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't
agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and
PP-GAL would be able to achieve full membership status.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="im">On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need to change anything.<br> </div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the
admission of new PPI members in places like Palestine,
Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state
but have completely independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br><div class="im">If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have activity in these territories because we will have associations there, but we will collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there alone.<br>
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Would you like/support such a statute modification?<br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Kenneth Peiruza<br>
Pirates de Catalunya<br>
<a href="http://pirata.cat/" target="_blank">http://pirata.cat</a><div><div><br></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br>Bye.<br> </div><br>____________________________________________________<br>
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