<div>Moin all</div><div><br></div>After reading Pat's and my Email again I come to the conclusion that I got somewhat carried away, sorry for that.<div><br></div><div>My Email was not meant as an attack against the structures that are in place now, or against the people that work within those structures. It was more meant as a call for action, as I think that what PPI is lacking the most atm is volunteers, and that it would be dangerous if we were to put more workload on an seemingly overworked board.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Appologies if anybody got offended, I did not mean to question the hard work most members of the board put into PPI, or even the reasons of many people that dropped out of the board.</div><div><br></div>
<div>Kind regards</div><div><br></div><div>-J<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:32 PM, Pat Mächler <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:patrick.maechler@pp-international.net">patrick.maechler@pp-international.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">actually you answered to something different than what I was asking :-P<br>
<br>
but I think it's important to point out that it was never the<br>
intention that the PPI board is doing all the work; they were just<br>
intended to be the ones responsible for what is done in the name of<br>
the legal person of PPI.<br>
<br>
just to point that out. I think I agree with most of what you write<br>
(but haven't read it in close detail; I'm currently at the Swiss PP<br>
GA)<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
-pat<br>
</font></span><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><br>
On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 1:23 PM, Justus Römeth <<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de">squig@dfpx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
> Hey all<br>
><br>
> I think instead of putting more tasks on a board that has never worked well<br>
> (mainly because too many people dropped out, not meant as an offense to<br>
> those who were/are members of the board and worked hard) we should get more<br>
> volunteers to work administrative tasks. The international newsletter that<br>
> Colentine is setting up is a good example for this.<br>
> I think we should encourage normal pirates (not just PPI delegates) for<br>
> tasks like this. Keeping in touch with a few board members (or Checking<br>
> wikis if they are set up and updated on things like member counts) of<br>
> various pirate parties is not that much of a task, if we have 10 people who<br>
> are taking responsibility of updating the information of 5 PPs each we<br>
> should be able to keep track of 50 pirate parties.<br>
><br>
> I think what we need to do is find out why 'the swarm' has not worked as<br>
> well on a super-national level when it comes to pirate parties, and<br>
> encourage more people to take an interest in this kind of matters. This<br>
> involves translating (which admittedly is working quite well), sorting and<br>
> updating information for newsletters and in wikis, help to put NGOs that are<br>
> close to the PP movement like Pirate Gaming, Musikpiraten, Pirates without<br>
> borders, young pirates or the various pirate podcasts on an international<br>
> level by translating works and in general doing advertisement for them, and<br>
> so on. This is working remarkably well on a national level in more than one<br>
> country, and the ACTA protests for example, or Rick Falkvinge's blog, show<br>
> that international coordination is totally possible in these fields,<br>
> independently of any official structure or organization.<br>
> Now, it is not the task of PPI to provide all of this, especially not of the<br>
> board. Many of the infrastructure (pads, wikis, PWB) and contents<br>
> (Musikpiraten) is readily available. We, as people that are somewhat<br>
> interested in seeing our topics to be brought to an inter- and/or<br>
> supernational level, as well as in international cooperation in general (I<br>
> am assuming here of course) are responsible for that in the end.<br>
><br>
> As long as the interest by most ordinary members to support the officials<br>
> that are elected into the PPI board or organize various NGOs connected to<br>
> Pirate ideology is low we are fighting a steep uphill battle here. I would<br>
> go as far as saying that much of the trouble the PPI board has had so far<br>
> could have been avoided by having a volunteer workforce double their size<br>
> (which is relatively modest, ask anybody who's working for the German board)<br>
> to fullfill tasks.<br>
><br>
> -J<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 12:27 PM, Pat Mächler<br>
> <<a href="mailto:patrick.maechler@pp-international.net">patrick.maechler@pp-international.net</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 7:51 PM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine<br>
>> <<a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se">international@piratpartiet.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>> > @Pat<br>
>> > Looked through that list and several other sources and extracted the<br>
>> > ones I<br>
>> > felt were still active. I few on that PPI list are very dead right<br>
>> > now...<br>
>><br>
>> of course not all pirate initiatives, groups and parties are kept alive<br>
>> IMO it's difficult if the PPI board (or similar) checks all of them on<br>
>> a regular basis; instead it should be updated by the groups themselves<br>
>> on a regular basis and only checked for data sanity. thus some system<br>
>> would be useful (it could be way easier of course).<br>
>><br>
>> > Scout looks like a good idea but too complex to be practical.<br>
>> > +questionnary<br>
>> > needs to be revised to a better form. Take a look at some advice for<br>
>> > forming<br>
>> > a questionarre if you decide to go forward with it.<br>
>><br>
>> could you be more specific about those 2 things?<br>
>> it is work in progress<br>
>> most of the data is to some extend necessary from my POV<br>
>><br>
>> what do you mean by a "better form"?<br>
>> the mock-up was done with a script from the pad text ;-)<br>
>> aspects such as an intuitive structure, design and usability aspects<br>
>> of the system are not addressed yet therein.<br>
>><br>
>> -pat<br>
>><br>
>> >> Message: 2<br>
>> >> Date: Fri, 2 Mar 2012 10:20:07 +0100<br>
>> >> From: Pat M?chler <<a href="mailto:patrick.maechler@pp-international.net">patrick.maechler@pp-international.net</a>><br>
>> >> To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] An International Pirate Party Contact<br>
>> >> and Information List<br>
>> >> Message-ID:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> <CAHpaog15dAkbD7G7YqP+TA+qwj0=<a href="mailto:KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ@mail.gmail.com">KfrfdMObomMJgycNFSN-gQ@mail.gmail.com</a>><br>
>> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thanks Josef!<br>
>> >> Have you checked through the ones at (embedded in the PPI website)?<br>
>> >> <a href="http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en" target="_blank">http://pp.3025-game.de/rss2.php?lang=en</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm" target="_blank">http://pp.3025-game.de/helper.htm</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Also this may become handy for a project that has been intended long<br>
>> >> ago, which should be kind of a CRM (not only for PPI members)<br>
>> >> <a href="https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout" target="_blank">https://ppi.piratenpad.de/ppi-scout</a><br>
>> >> <a href="http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php" target="_blank">http://valio.ch/ppi-scout-mockup.php</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -pat<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 5:06 AM, Josef Ohlsson Collentine<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se">international@piratpartiet.se</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >> > Hi,<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > just created a new contact list for Pirate Parties in different<br>
>> >> > countries. I<br>
>> >> > have an old one with a lot more information that will be checked and<br>
>> >> > transferred if still accurate.<br>
>> >> > I just counted 47 countries with active Pirate Parties (in varying<br>
>> >> > degrees).<br>
>> >> > Will take me a while to go through everything and update myself which<br>
>> >> > is<br>
>> >> > why<br>
>> >> > I ask for your help.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Please update as much as possible<br>
>> >> > here:?<a href="http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check" target="_blank">http://bit.ly/ppcontacts?(double-check</a> that information is<br>
>> >> > accurate<br>
>> >> > before editing)<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > If you feel something is inaccurate or you think that some categories<br>
>> >> > I<br>
>> >> > used<br>
>> >> > are strange/wrong we can take that discussion on this mail list.<br>
>> >> > Anything<br>
>> >> > else that should be added?<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Kindly,<br>
>> >> > Josef<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > --<br>
>> >> > International Representative for PPSE<br>
>> >> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of<br>
>> >> > someone<br>
>> >> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > Contact:<br>
>> >> > mail:?<a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se">international@piratpartiet.se</a><br>
>> >> > Twitter: @collentine<br>
>> >> > <a href="http://irc.pirateirc.net?user" target="_blank">irc.pirateirc.net?user</a>: collentine (always there but slow responses)<br>
>> >> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)<br>
>> >> > phone: +52?55 54 75 34 52 (text me, if urgent)<br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> ><br>
>> >> > ____________________________________________________<br>
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>> >> ><br>
>> >><br>
>> > --<br>
>> > International Contact for PPSE<br>
>> > Contact me for any questions/concerns or if you need to get hold of<br>
>> > someone<br>
>> > in Piratpartiet or internationally.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Other contact:<br>
>> > mail: <a href="mailto:international@piratpartiet.se">international@piratpartiet.se</a><br>
>> > Twitter: @collentine<br>
>> > <a href="http://irc.pirateirc.net" target="_blank">irc.pirateirc.net</a> user: collentine (always there but slow responses)<br>
>> > Skype: josef.ohlsson.collentine (only important conversations)<br>
>> > phone: <a href="tel:%2B52%C2%A055%2054%2075%2034%2052" value="+525554753452">+52 55 54 75 34 52</a> (text me, if urgent)<br>
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