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Daniel, please, stop personal attacks. This is your way of doing in
every list where you are subscribed: Spain, Madrid and here as well.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
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On 04/03/12 14:30, Daniel Riaño wrote:
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cite="mid:CAA+TPtQxWwKeAKLAhL3FpAN_wrjYU=SGtXH_PhUNV8Mx4rF4qA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the
list with Kenneth Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there
is really an investigation going on of the sort he say, then he
knows more than I do about the functioning of my party, and I am a
member of the directive board. I know a friend of Peiruza's is
trying to push an investigation with such rubbish, but to my
knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all.
I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he
mentions. It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never
happened.<br>
<br>
Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful
assertions and mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and,
when called out to clarify the evidence behind his words, he
doesn't feel obliged to substantiate his sayings, which is one of
the reasons I firmly hold him as a unreliable cantankerous liar.<br>
<br>
I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note
detaching themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual,
who is constantly torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP
ES, and now is trying fortune in Galicia as well.<br>
<br>
I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have
a life to live.<br>
<br>
Best wishes,<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Please Daniel, avoid
sending me emails. You're being investigated to be punished
for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own party...<br>
<br>
You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any
double affiliates... the only two pirates not
double-affiliates in Catalonia were an insane guy who was
pushed away from most PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists (and
died 4 months ago), and your mate at former's PP-ES bureau
who spied the treasurer's email, made a nasty job with your
nowadays untrustable census and torpedoed any kind of
agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he was the "official
contact". He even sent to trash most emails asking for
cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.<br>
<br>
If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to
dissolve it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth
<div class="im"><br>
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On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote: </div>
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href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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<div class="im">If you (pp-es) decide to create an
association in catalonia, as your local
tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen
as an aggression by most pp-cat members, do you?
if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and
let's start a war right now. </div>
<div> pir<br>
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<div>Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you
say "Waaaaar" and all the Catalans put their
helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and
rumble the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the
least.<br>
<br>
Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In
fact, the Catalan arm of Pirata (we prefer the
word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before*
the so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when
part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan
way (many of them having a double affiliation
still now). So soft are we nowadays.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div>And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've
heard that song of 'getting close' for 3
years so far... I remember you that you need
a general assembly to change so, with a 90%
qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never
reach that qourum until there's only 3
members :(</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Kenneth<br>
<span style="font-size:small"><br>
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Eduardo Perdices <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hello,<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at
2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"
target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi
Justus,
<div><br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
PP-ES has had several internal issues in
the last years... It looked like its new
bureau was fixing it, but suddenly<u> it
fucked up and got frozen again.</u>..
Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its
potentiality since 2006.<br>
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<div>This is not true, we are changing our
statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it
myself. <br>
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<div> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a
Pirate Confederation in Spain, to define
basic rules for common candidatures
(like EU parliament's one), where PP-ES
can have federated regional parties like
Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants,
whilst others can choose to become
members of the confederation, being
PP-ES itself one of the confederation
members.<br>
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<div>Chance of confederating with other PPI
members is already included on our new
statutes, we just need to approve it in
about 3 months. Besides, the rest of
regions are not going to be federated
regional parties, but associations inside
PP-ES.<br>
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<div> However, internal work in PP-ES is
terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree
something before PPI's GA, we will
probably propose an statute
modification, changing "country" for
"territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would
be able to achieve full membership
status.<br>
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<div><br>
<div>On summer our new statutes will be
ready, there is no need to change
anything.<br>
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<div> This modification would ease the
integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL
into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's
not going to present candidatures/lead
activity in these territories, and
easing the admission of new PPI members
in places like Palestine,
Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and
so on, which lack a state but have
completely independent politics of
Israel, Turkey or Irak.<br>
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<div>If we are confederated with PP-CAT and
PP-GAL we will have activity in these
territories because we will have
associations there, but we will
collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we
won't present candidatures there alone.<br>
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<div> Would you like/support such a
statute modification?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth Peiruza<br>
Pirates de Catalunya<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://pirata.cat/"
target="_blank">http://pirata.cat</a>
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