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    Daniel, please, stop personal attacks. This is your way of doing in
    every list where you are subscribed: Spain, Madrid and here as well.<br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    <br>
    Kenneth<br>
    <br>
    On 04/03/12 14:30, Daniel Riaño wrote:
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cite="mid:CAA+TPtQxWwKeAKLAhL3FpAN_wrjYU=SGtXH_PhUNV8Mx4rF4qA@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the
      list with Kenneth Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there
      is really an investigation going on of the sort he say, then he
      knows more than I do about the functioning of my party, and I am a
      member of the directive board. I know a friend of Peiruza's is
      trying to push an investigation with such rubbish, but to my
      knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all.
      I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he
      mentions. It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never
      happened.<br>
      <br>
      Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful
      assertions and mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and,
      when called out to clarify the evidence behind his words, he
      doesn't feel obliged to substantiate his sayings, which is one of
      the reasons I firmly hold him as a unreliable cantankerous liar.<br>
      <br>
      I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note
      detaching themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual,
      who is constantly torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP
      ES, and now is trying fortune in Galicia as well.<br>
      <br>
      I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have
      a life to live.<br>
      <br>
      Best wishes,<br>
      <br>
      Daniel<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
            moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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          <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Please Daniel, avoid
            sending me emails. You're being investigated to be punished
            for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own party...<br>
            <br>
            You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any
            double affiliates... the only two pirates not
            double-affiliates in Catalonia were an insane guy who was
            pushed away from most PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists (and
            died 4 months ago), and your mate at former's PP-ES bureau
            who spied the treasurer's email, made a nasty job with your
            nowadays untrustable census and torpedoed any kind of
            agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he was the "official
            contact". He even sent to trash most emails asking for
            cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.<br>
            <br>
            If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to
            dissolve it.<br>
            <br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            <br>
            Kenneth
            <div class="im"><br>
              <br>
              <br>
              On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote: </div>
            <blockquote type="cite">2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <span
                dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                  href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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                    <div class="im">If you (pp-es) decide to create an
                      association in catalonia, as your local
                      tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen
                      as an aggression by most pp-cat members, do you?
                      if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and
                      let's start a war right now. </div>
                    <div> pir<br>
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                    <div>Waw!  Is it like this among you...? I mean, you
                      say "Waaaaar" and all the Catalans put their
                      helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and
                      rumble the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the
                      least.<br>
                      <br>
                      Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In
                      fact, the Catalan arm of Pirata (we prefer the
                      word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before*
                      the so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when
                      part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan
                      way (many of them having a double affiliation
                      still now). So soft are we nowadays.<br>
                      <br>
                      Daniel<br>
                       <br>
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                          <div>And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've
                            heard that song of 'getting close' for 3
                            years so far... I remember you that you need
                            a general assembly to change so, with a 90%
                            qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never
                            reach that qourum until there's only 3
                            members :(</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Regards,</div>
                          <div><br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Kenneth<br>
                            <span style="font-size:small"><br>
                            </span></div>
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                        <br>
                        Eduardo Perdices <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:edupergar@gmail.com"
                          target="_blank">edupergar@gmail.com</a>>
                        escribió:<br>
                        Hello,<br>
                        <br>
                        <div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at
                          2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
                              moz-do-not-send="true"
                              href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"
                              target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
                          wrote:<br>
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                            <div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi
                              Justus,
                              <div><br>
                                <br>
                                ...<br>
                                <br>
                                PP-ES has had several internal issues in
                                the last years... It looked like its new
                                bureau was fixing it, but suddenly<u> it
                                  fucked up and got frozen again.</u>..
                                Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its
                                potentiality since 2006.<br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
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                          <div><br>
                            <div>This is not true, we are changing our
                              statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it
                              myself. <br>
                               </div>
                          </div>
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                              <br>
                              <div> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a
                                Pirate Confederation in Spain, to define
                                basic rules for common candidatures
                                (like EU parliament's one), where PP-ES
                                can have federated regional parties like
                                Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants,
                                whilst others can choose to become
                                members of the confederation, being
                                PP-ES itself one of the confederation
                                members.<br>
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                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <div><br>
                            <div>Chance of confederating with other PPI
                              members is already included on our new
                              statutes, we just need to approve it in
                              about 3 months. Besides, the rest of
                              regions are not going to be federated
                              regional parties, but associations inside
                              PP-ES.<br>
                               </div>
                          </div>
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                              <div> However, internal work in PP-ES is
                                terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree
                                something before PPI's GA, we will
                                probably propose an statute
                                modification, changing "country" for
                                "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would
                                be able to achieve full membership
                                status.<br>
                              </div>
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                          <div><br>
                            <div>On summer our new statutes will be
                              ready, there is no need to change
                              anything.<br>
                               </div>
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                              <div> This modification would ease the
                                integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL
                                into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's
                                not going to present candidatures/lead
                                activity in these territories, and
                                easing the admission of new PPI members
                                in places like Palestine,
                                Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan and
                                so on, which lack a state but have
                                completely independent politics of
                                Israel, Turkey or Irak.<br>
                              </div>
                            </div>
                          </blockquote>
                          <div><br>
                            <div>If we are confederated with PP-CAT and
                              PP-GAL we will have activity in these
                              territories because we will have
                              associations there, but we will
                              collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we
                              won't present candidatures there alone.<br>
                               </div>
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                              <div> Would you like/support such a
                                statute modification?<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Best regards,<br>
                                <br>
                                Kenneth Peiruza<br>
                                Pirates de Catalunya<br>
                                <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                  href="http://pirata.cat/"
                                  target="_blank">http://pirata.cat</a>
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