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Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated to
be punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own
party...<br>
<br>
You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any double
affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates in
Catalonia were an insane guy who was pushed away from most PP-ES and
PP-CAT mailing lists (and died 4 months ago), and your mate at
former's PP-ES bureau who spied the treasurer's email, made a nasty
job with your nowadays untrustable census and torpedoed any kind of
agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he was the "official contact".
He even sent to trash most emails asking for cooperation/agreement
sent by David Arcos.<br>
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If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve
it.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
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On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
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cite="mid:CAA+TPtSDEUEMghOA8DKWbX2gH9yEL2dvs=oEkwihP+mf2q4gow@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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<div>If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in
catalonia, as your local tentacle... Do you realize that
this will be seen as an aggression by most pp-cat members,
do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and
let's start a war right now.
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pir<br>
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<div>Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say
"Waaaaar" and all the Catalans put their helmets on and take
their grandfathers' guns, and rumble the streets. feeew!
amazing, to say the least.<br>
<br>
Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the
Catalan arm of Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you
see) existed *before* the so called PP CAT and nobody went to
war when part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan way
(many of them having a double affiliation still now). So soft
are we nowadays.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div>And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that
song of 'getting close' for 3 years so far... I remember
you that you need a general assembly to change so, with
a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never reach
that qourum until there's only 3 members :(</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
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<div>Kenneth<br>
<span style="font-size:small"><br>
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Eduardo Perdices <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:edupergar@gmail.com" target="_blank">edupergar@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
Hello,<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM,
Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Justus,
<div class="im"><br>
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...<br>
<br>
PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last
years... It looked like its new bureau was fixing
it, but suddenly<u> it fucked up and got frozen
again.</u>.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of
its potentiality since 2006.<br>
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<div class="im">This is not true, we are changing our
statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it myself. <br>
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<div class="im"> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a
Pirate Confederation in Spain, to define basic rules
for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like
Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others
can choose to become members of the confederation,
being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.<br>
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<div><br>
<div class="im">Chance of confederating with other PPI
members is already included on our new statutes, we
just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides,
the rest of regions are not going to be federated
regional parties, but associations inside PP-ES.<br>
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<div class="im"> However, internal work in PP-ES is
terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree something
before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
modification, changing "country" for "territory",
so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be able to achieve full
membership status.<br>
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<div><br>
<div class="im">On summer our new statutes will be
ready, there is no need to change anything.<br>
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<div class="im"> This modification would ease the
integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL into PPI,
by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and
easing the admission of new PPI members in places
like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan
and so on, which lack a state but have completely
independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.<br>
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<div class="im">If we are confederated with PP-CAT and
PP-GAL we will have activity in these territories
because we will have associations there, but we will
collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't
present candidatures there alone.<br>
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<div class="im"> Would you like/support such a statute
modification?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth Peiruza<br>
Pirates de Catalunya<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://pirata.cat/"
target="_blank">http://pirata.cat</a>
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Bye.<br>
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