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Thank you Isabel. However I'd like to state that I've no personal
problems with Daniel. IMO he's rude and not very nice, but that's
not an issue, it's a fact.<br>
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BTW, I'd like to state that the last time I was asked for any
evidence, I presented the affected ones. I.E. former Spanish's
treasurer, who confirmed (literally) that 99% of what I was saying,
was sadly true.<br>
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Daniel, please, stop trolling here as you do in PP-ES's lists. I
still didn't insulted you once, I'll be glad to receive your
apologies.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
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On 04/03/12 16:47, Isabel Fernández wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Daniel, leave Galicia out of your personal problems with Kenneth. We
said before we are not going to discuss anything here. And we won't. So
don't mention us again with this matter.
Regards,
Isabel.
On 04/03/12 14:30, Daniel Riaño wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the list with Kenneth
Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there is really an investigation
going on of the sort he say, then he knows more than I do about the
functioning of my party, and I am a member of the directive board. I know a
friend of Peiruza's is trying to push an investigation with such rubbish,
but to my knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all.
I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he mentions.
It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never happened.
Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful assertions and
mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and, when called out to
clarify the evidence behind his words, he doesn't feel obliged to
substantiate his sayings, which is one of the reasons I firmly hold him as
a unreliable cantankerous liar.
I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note detaching
themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual, who is constantly
torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP ES, and now is trying
fortune in Galicia as well.
I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have a life to
live.
Best wishes,
Daniel
2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"><kenneth@pirata.cat></a>
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<pre wrap=""> Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated to be
punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own party...
You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any double
affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates in Catalonia were
an insane guy who was pushed away from most PP-ES and PP-CAT mailing lists
(and died 4 months ago), and your mate at former's PP-ES bureau who spied
the treasurer's email, made a nasty job with your nowadays untrustable
census and torpedoed any kind of agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he
was the "official contact". He even sent to trash most emails asking for
cooperation/agreement sent by David Arcos.
If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve it.
Regards,
Kenneth
On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"><kenneth@pirata.cat></a>
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<pre wrap="">If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in catalonia, as your
local tentacle... Do you realize that this will be seen as an aggression by
most pp-cat members, do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time
and let's start a war right now.
pir
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<pre wrap="">Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say "Waaaaar" and all the
Catalans put their helmets on and take their grandfathers' guns, and rumble
the streets. feeew! amazing, to say the least.
Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the Catalan arm of
Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you see) existed *before* the
so called PP CAT and nobody went to war when part of the catalan affiliates
went their Catalan way (many of them having a double affiliation still
now). So soft are we nowadays.
Daniel
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And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that song of 'getting
close' for 3 years so far... I remember you that you need a general
assembly to change so, with a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never
reach that qourum until there's only 3 members :(
Regards,
Kenneth
Eduardo Perdices <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:edupergar@gmail.com"><edupergar@gmail.com></a> escribió:
Hello,
On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat"><kenneth@pirata.cat></a>wrote:
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<pre wrap=""> Hi Justus,
...
PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last years... It looked
like its new bureau was fixing it, but suddenly* it fucked up and got
frozen again.*.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of its potentiality
since 2006.
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This is not true, we are changing our statutes right now, in fact, I'm
doint it myself.
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PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a Pirate Confederation in Spain, to
define basic rules for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like Madrid, Andalucia or
whoever wants, whilst others can choose to become members of the
confederation, being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.
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Chance of confederating with other PPI members is already included on our
new statutes, we just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides, the
rest of regions are not going to be federated regional parties, but
associations inside PP-ES.
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However, internal work in PP-ES is terribly slow, thus, if we can't
agree something before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
modification, changing "country" for "territory", so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL
would be able to achieve full membership status.
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On summer our new statutes will be ready, there is no need to change
anything.
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This modification would ease the integration of parties PP-CAT and
PP-GAL into PPI, by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and easing the admission
of new PPI members in places like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's
Kurdistan and so on, which lack a state but have completely independent
politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.
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If we are confederated with PP-CAT and PP-GAL we will have activity in
these territories because we will have associations there, but we will
collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't present candidatures there
alone.
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Would you like/support such a statute modification?
Best regards,
Kenneth Peiruza
Pirates de Catalunya
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://pirata.cat">http://pirata.cat</a>
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<pre wrap="">Bye.
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