I already stop, and any effort from your part not to keep bringing your political party issues to this list will be most appreciated by all, I think.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/4 Dario <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:i@dario.im">i@dario.im</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Please, as a catalan and spanish pirate (although not being member of PP-ES), I ask you both to stop. It is hard to see how the country-wide pirate party has been sinking for the last two years (I wasn't before so I'm not gonna go further) but it sucks harder to see how we argue.<div>
<br></div><div>It is obvious that there is something wrong in PP-ES. I won't tell what because I'm a distant point of view but there is. Not being able to keep up with elections is a symptom of something you must fix. I know you are working on it, I trust on whatever you and any member of PP-ES says in any list, but it is also true that the same is said since some years. That is what I see and I'm kind of neutral because I have no interest into torpedoing ourselves with lame fights.</div>
<div><br></div><div>I hope you can fix PP-ES. Just an idea: you have a centralization issue. As you know: "el que mucho abarca, poco aprieta" ;) For those non-spanish, who tries to reach to everything, finally they get nothing.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Dario Castañé<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">El 4 de marzo de 2012 14:30, Daniel Riaño <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:danielrr2@gmail.com" target="_blank">danielrr2@gmail.com</a>></span> escribió:<div>
<div class="h5"><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
I'll keep it short, to avoid annoying the rest of the list with Kenneth Peiruza's issues with the Spanish PP. If there is really an investigation going on of the sort he say, then he knows more than I do about the functioning of my party, and I am a member of the directive board. I know a friend of Peiruza's is trying to push an investigation with such rubbish, but to my knowledge it remains to be seen if it is taken in account at all. I do know what I do, and I did not an initiative of the kind he mentions. It is not that I am for or against it. It simply never happened.<br>
<br>Kenneth has a long record of false accusations, wrongful assertions and mean innuendos against PP ES and its members and, when called out to clarify the evidence behind his words, he doesn't feel obliged to substantiate his sayings, which is one of the reasons I firmly hold him as a unreliable cantankerous liar.<br>
<br>I do feel sorry that his party has never produced a public note detaching themselves, as a party, from such raucous individual, who is constantly torpedoing the relations between PP CAT and PP ES, and now is trying fortune in Galicia as well.<br>
<br>I'll stop it here This has nothing to do with the PPI, and I have a life to live.<br><br>Best wishes,<br><br>Daniel<div><div><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/4 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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Please Daniel, avoid sending me emails. You're being investigated to
be punished for your lack of respect to your fellas in your own
party...<br>
<br>
You pushed an initiative in your own party to push away any double
affiliates... the only two pirates not double-affiliates in
Catalonia were an insane guy who was pushed away from most PP-ES and
PP-CAT mailing lists (and died 4 months ago), and your mate at
former's PP-ES bureau who spied the treasurer's email, made a nasty
job with your nowadays untrustable census and torpedoed any kind of
agreement btw PP-CAT and PP-ES whilst he was the "official contact".
He even sent to trash most emails asking for cooperation/agreement
sent by David Arcos.<br>
<br>
If that is your "arm" in Catalonia, lemme suggest you to dissolve
it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<div><br>
<br>
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On 02/03/12 20:27, Daniel Riaño wrote:
</div><blockquote type="cite">2012/3/2 Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span><br>
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<div><div>If you (pp-es) decide to create an association in
catalonia, as your local tentacle... Do you realize that
this will be seen as an aggression by most pp-cat members,
do you? if that's your plan, lets stop wasting time and
let's start a war right now.
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pir<br>
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<div>Waw! Is it like this among you...? I mean, you say
"Waaaaar" and all the Catalans put their helmets on and take
their grandfathers' guns, and rumble the streets. feeew!
amazing, to say the least.<br>
<br>
Sadly this is not like this here in PP ES. In fact, the
Catalan arm of Pirata (we prefer the word arm to tentacle, you
see) existed *before* the so called PP CAT and nobody went to
war when part of the catalan affiliates went their Catalan way
(many of them having a double affiliation still now). So soft
are we nowadays.<br>
<br>
Daniel<br>
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<div><br>
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<div>And about fixing pp-es statutes... I've heard that
song of 'getting close' for 3 years so far... I remember
you that you need a general assembly to change so, with
a 90% qourum... Stop daydreaming, you'll never reach
that qourum until there's only 3 members :(</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Kenneth<br>
<span style="font-size:small"><br>
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Eduardo Perdices <<a href="mailto:edupergar@gmail.com" target="_blank">edupergar@gmail.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
Hello,<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 2, 2012 at 2:24 PM,
Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> Hi Justus,
<div><br>
<br>
...<br>
<br>
PP-ES has had several internal issues in the last
years... It looked like its new bureau was fixing
it, but suddenly<u> it fucked up and got frozen
again.</u>.. Sadly, PP-ES hasn't taken profit of
its potentiality since 2006.<br>
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<div><br>
<div>This is not true, we are changing our
statutes right now, in fact, I'm doint it myself. <br>
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<div text="#000000" bgcolor="#FFFFFF"> <br>
<br>
<div> PP-CAT and PP-GAL are pushing for a
Pirate Confederation in Spain, to define basic rules
for common candidatures (like EU parliament's one),
where PP-ES can have federated regional parties like
Madrid, Andalucia or whoever wants, whilst others
can choose to become members of the confederation,
being PP-ES itself one of the confederation members.<br>
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<div><br>
<div>Chance of confederating with other PPI
members is already included on our new statutes, we
just need to approve it in about 3 months. Besides,
the rest of regions are not going to be federated
regional parties, but associations inside PP-ES.<br>
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<div> However, internal work in PP-ES is
terribly slow, thus, if we can't agree something
before PPI's GA, we will probably propose an statute
modification, changing "country" for "territory",
so, PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be able to achieve full
membership status.<br>
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<div><br>
<div>On summer our new statutes will be
ready, there is no need to change anything.<br>
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<div> This modification would ease the
integration of parties PP-CAT and PP-GAL into PPI,
by PP-ES confirming that it's not going to present
candidatures/lead activity in these territories, and
easing the admission of new PPI members in places
like Palestine, Turkish-Kurdistan, Irak's Kurdistan
and so on, which lack a state but have completely
independent politics of Israel, Turkey or Irak.<br>
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</blockquote>
<div><br>
<div>If we are confederated with PP-CAT and
PP-GAL we will have activity in these territories
because we will have associations there, but we will
collaborate with PP-GAL and PP-CAT and we won't
present candidatures there alone.<br>
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<div> Would you like/support such a statute
modification?<br>
<br>
<br>
Best regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth Peiruza<br>
Pirates de Catalunya<br>
<a href="http://pirata.cat/" target="_blank">http://pirata.cat</a>
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