Hello,<br><br>just one thing to clear up, I'm not the current secretary of PPES, I'm just a member of PPES directory board. <br><br>We don't want arguments on this thread or between our parties. Right now we are writing a reply to this thread to clarify the situation in Spain from (we hope) a neutral point of view.<br>
<br>We are working right now very hard in several task, one of them, our statutes, which will allow a confederation between parties. But we can't do it in one month, we have to detail everything and put to vote on GA.<br>
<br>Regards.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 6:09 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Victor,<br>
<br>
I'd love to add that mistrusting PP-CAT is simply stupid and
paranoid (risperidona can help with the latter, but not with the
stupidity).<br>
<br>
We're an open online assembly, were everything is voted by all of us
( <a href="https://xifrat.pirata.cat" target="_blank">https://xifrat.pirata.cat</a> ) and every member has only one vote.
Our board exists just because the law makes it mandatory, but our
boards had never made any decision.<br>
<br>
It's much easier to mistrust the pyramidal structure of PP-ES, were
half of its former board was trolling PP-CAT (with Riaño as well)
without any kind of transparency or knowledge of its members.<br>
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BTW, I was talking to the new PP-ES's secretary two days ago,
Eduardo. I was telling him to create a list/team of 2-3 people from
every party to draft a confederation proposal and to be able to vote
it before PPI's GA.<br>
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Let's take the initiative, as every attempt to work with PP-ES gets
blocked :(<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<div><div class="h5"><br>
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On 04/03/12 17:59, Victor Fernandez wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">Hi! my name is Victor, I'm 20 years old and a I'm a
member of PPES and PP-GAL.<br>
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In this moment almost all the member of PP-Gal are part of PPES,
furthermore we want a confederation and the most active members of
PP-GAL are working actively in the PPES mail lists.<br>
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Problems off PPES?<br>
<br>
-The work environment is pretty bad without out .Gal and .Cat
members. I think this is the worst problem and we can't help to
fix it. Now some people are moderating the mail list but that
don't fix the problem.<br>
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- A few persons of PPES don't trust on PP-CAT people so is hard to
work together.<br>
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-PPES statutes but now I think they really are trying to reform
it.<br>
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-People don't really want to talk. I've proposed to PPES directive
create a main list where a few people of PP-GAL, PPES and PP-CAT
could work together, share information quickly etc. but until now
they don't want because off PP-CAT. They prefer that one person
(me) talk to one person of the PPES directive or sent a email to
PPES mail list, the one of the bad work environment so... not
easily talk, work and trust.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/3/4 Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:roemeth@gmail.com" target="_blank">roemeth@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div>Moin/hola/ahoi</div>
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Instead of bringing up this topic in a number of threads, I
think it should be discussed on its own. Now, please don't
make any personal attacks. Instead, it would be nice if
Pirates from Spain that know the situation would fill the rest
of us in about what they think is being done wrongly at PPES,
how they see PP-CAT's and PP-GAL's positions towards this, if
they would be okay with forming an umbrella organization that
represents the various Spanish PPs towards PPI (and possibly
PPEU) or not, and stuff like that.
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<div>I would in particular be interested in knowing whether
members of PP-CAT and PP-GAL would be interested in joining
PPES as well if PPES gets their problems under control (as
long as Catalonia and Galicia are not independent, anyways).</div>
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