This practice was pretty popular a while back in england and torrent freak reported on it a lot.<div><br></div><div>I thought it was all done with? They are still doing this?</div><div><br clear="all">Lp<br>Rok Andrée</div>
<div><div>Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party</div><br>
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 9 March 2012 22:49, Markus Drenger <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:markus.drenger@piratenpartei-hessen.de">markus.drenger@piratenpartei-hessen.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Hi,<br>
<br>
in short: yes, they do.<br>
<br>
long version:<br>
rights holders pay lawyers or "warning companies" to sue people. they<br>
have a secret software that watches p2p traffic. if they see an<br>
infrigement they can go to your isp and ask for your name and adress by<br>
providing IP and timestamp.<br>
Then they send you a warning letter "don't do it again and here is your<br>
bill". Courts ruled that a warning letter for a first noncommercial<br>
"small" infrigement may be up to 100€.<br>
Please note: this entire process is extrajudicial. Their business case<br>
is "pay a little fine or we take this to court" and many people pay.<br>
<br>
There is misuse of this concept:<br>
companies, specialised in writing warning letters, send the same letter<br>
to tenthousands of people, we even have a word for that "Abmahnwelle" -<br>
"wave of warnings".<br>
There are stories of those companys which put their clients' content on<br>
the internet. Of course, downloading content put on the internet by the<br>
rightsholder is legal, but if they take you to court, you have to proof,<br>
that they uploaded it. And this modi operandi is not widely known, so an<br>
average lawyer or judge will not consider this.<br>
Afair there was even a company, which put content without the<br>
rightsholders consent on the internet and tried to sue people for<br>
downloading it.<br>
<br>
if people don't pay, only a very little number of cases go to court. but<br>
in a court case those companies problably win, by providing "evidence"<br>
recorded by their secret p2p-observer software.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Markus Drenger<br>
<br>
<br>
right holders can send you a warning letter for infriging their copyright.<br>
<br>
Am 09.03.12 22:09, schrieb Richard Stallman:<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">> I'm told there are companies that set traps for P2P sharers in Germany,<br>
> and then send threatening letters saying they will sue if the victims<br>
> don't immediately pay 1000 euros.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone here know anything about this? For instance, can<br>
> those companies really win if they sue?<br>
><br>
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