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One thought:<br>
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When looking at patent claims directed at small free software
projects, I noticed often the claims are written in such a way that
it's very difficult from form and text to determine whether the
claim is legitimate or not (for example, they don't write out in
which jurisdiction an infringement is assumed to have been made,
which means the accused does not know where to turn in the event
that he or she wants to defend herself).<br>
<br>
Apparently this is a flaw mostly in the European infringement
system, since the DMCA in the US puts strict demands on form and
shape of a claim - it increases the legal certainty for the
recipient since they will always know where to turn if they receive
a claim.<br>
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Since I'm not sure of the DMCA form rules, could anyone else maybe
share? I have a feeling that a good form demand would be to always
include a third party institution (not claimant nor defendent) to
which the recipient of the claim (defendant) could turn and
investigate the legitimacy of the claim (that is, whether or not it
is of legitimate origins, not whether or not the recipient should be
troubled by their potential guilt to the accusation or not). Such a
legitimacy check would reduce collateral damage from these systems.<br>
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Pe 10.03.2012 00:09, Rok Andrée a scris:
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cite="mid:CADSjSuOBuFYTiRofNOx24yMNePnaTbOJPeZrOEAMYx-w06L2Yg@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">This practice was pretty popular a while back in
england and torrent freak reported on it a lot.
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<div>I thought it was all done with? They are still doing this?</div>
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Lp<br>
Rok Andrée</div>
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<div>Piratska stranka Slovenije - Slovenian Pirate Party</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 9 March 2012 22:49, Markus Drenger <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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Hi,<br>
<br>
in short: yes, they do.<br>
<br>
long version:<br>
rights holders pay lawyers or "warning companies" to sue
people. they<br>
have a secret software that watches p2p traffic. if they see
an<br>
infrigement they can go to your isp and ask for your name
and adress by<br>
providing IP and timestamp.<br>
Then they send you a warning letter "don't do it again and
here is your<br>
bill". Courts ruled that a warning letter for a first
noncommercial<br>
"small" infrigement may be up to 100€.<br>
Please note: this entire process is extrajudicial. Their
business case<br>
is "pay a little fine or we take this to court" and many
people pay.<br>
<br>
There is misuse of this concept:<br>
companies, specialised in writing warning letters, send the
same letter<br>
to tenthousands of people, we even have a word for that
"Abmahnwelle" -<br>
"wave of warnings".<br>
There are stories of those companys which put their clients'
content on<br>
the internet. Of course, downloading content put on the
internet by the<br>
rightsholder is legal, but if they take you to court, you
have to proof,<br>
that they uploaded it. And this modi operandi is not widely
known, so an<br>
average lawyer or judge will not consider this.<br>
Afair there was even a company, which put content without
the<br>
rightsholders consent on the internet and tried to sue
people for<br>
downloading it.<br>
<br>
if people don't pay, only a very little number of cases go
to court. but<br>
in a court case those companies problably win, by providing
"evidence"<br>
recorded by their secret p2p-observer software.<br>
<br>
Greetings,<br>
Markus Drenger<br>
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<br>
right holders can send you a warning letter for infriging
their copyright.<br>
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Am 09.03.12 22:09, schrieb Richard Stallman:<br>
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<div class="h5">> I'm told there are companies that set
traps for P2P sharers in Germany,<br>
> and then send threatening letters saying they will
sue if the victims<br>
> don't immediately pay 1000 euros.<br>
><br>
> Does anyone here know anything about this? For
instance, can<br>
> those companies really win if they sue?<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Dr Richard Stallman<br>
> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
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> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying)
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