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I didn't knew this part of the history, I only knew the one of PP-SE
saying that they worked hard to get something out of Uppsala's
meeting.<br>
<br>
IMO, we could go further, as many are proposing for European
Pirates, so we can include citizen participation in our
core-ideology.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
Al 29/03/12 21:03, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:<br>
<blockquote type="cite">On 3/29/2012 8:01 AM, Kenneth Peiruza wrote:<br>
> Well, just going back to reality:<br>
<br>
> 1) every pirate party accepts Uppsala's declaration as our
starting<br>
> point of ideology<br>
<br>
Not to be a stickler, but the Uppsala Declaration<br>
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration">http://int.piratenpartei.de/Uppsala_Declaration</a>) doesn't even
follow<br>
it's own rules.<br>
<br>
For those that don't know, this was a declaration made at the
Uppsala<br>
meeting (27 - 29. June 2008) and then announced to the press June
30th<br>
as being signed by all pirate parties. Yet those not at the
meeting<br>
hadn't even heard of it, let alone participated or approved it. I
had<br>
been participating remotely in the event (as best I could at the
time)<br>
as USPP head, and the first I heard of it was when some media org
(I<br>
forget who, might have been wired or ArsTechnica) phoned me to ask
me<br>
why we thought this declairation was so important. I had to tell
them<br>
'i've not heard about this, let alone seen it, I'll have to get
back to<br>
you'.<br>
<br>
It's funny since the civil rights section goes on about a
transparent<br>
state, and yet this was created in a very NON-transparent manner.<br>
<br>
Also, your claim that everyone accepted it wasn't true, as the
mailing<br>
list at the time proves. like Carlos Ayala asking the day after it
was<br>
announced to the press what condition it's in, who wrote it and
who<br>
signed it, because despite being Pirata's chairman at the time, he<br>
didn't know<br>
(<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2008-June/001199.html">http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2008-June/001199.html</a>)<br>
I sure didn't know either.<br>
<br>
I kinda thought that's why we'd thrown it in a box marked 'do not
talk<br>
about again', because it had been handled so badly, that it didn't
meet<br>
the basic values we would expect of others, let alone ourselves.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
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