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I ditched PAYPAL right after the WikiLeaks scandal, and I'm not backtracking.<br><br>And Kenneth sounds like the fucking RIAA calculating lost profits ;) .<br><br>Pragmatism without ethics will get us nowhere (why am I thinking<font style="font-size: 10pt;" size="2"> Vågmästarställning here?).<br><br>Stupidity is not the only sin that plagues humanity.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br>PP-ES<br><br><br>P.S.: I'm sorry Kenneth, you can come and collect in Brussels any time you want. Can't do otherwise in an economically feasible way, as I do not even have a bank account ;) . <br></font><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:36:28 +0200<br>From: marko.mitrovic@piratskapartija.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Research Survey.<br><br>This is how I imagine ancient Greek philosophers worked. They sat in circles and for hours and days debated pointless things instead of taking some action. We are true direct democrats :)<br><br>And I can't make paypal donation, it's not functional in my country :P<br>
<br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Dear Andrew,<br>
<br>
Ok, I understand we must be efficient, right, but this whole thread
is POINTLESS.<br>
<br>
There's loads of FLOSS tools to create polls/surveys and it just
takes 3 minutes to install them, or just pay 30$ to someone else and
you'll get it as a service.<br>
<br>
Creating the poll/survey itself is time consuming in any platform,
free or privative.<br>
<br>
This whole chatting wasted a lot more time than creating the survey
itself. Let's take 5 minutes / participant's email * 18, that's at
least 90 minutes, + readers.<br>
<br>
I charge my hours from 40 to 80 ¤, so, we wasted more than 100 ¤, 4
times what it costs to pay to get this thing done.<br>
<br>
Talking about efficiency, we are stupid.<br>
<br>
Next one to reply this thread is invited to make a paypal donation
of 5¤. In 2 hours we'll get the cash to pay it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Al 08/05/12 09:18, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:<div><div class="h5"><br>
<blockquote>On 5/5/2012 11:23 AM, Richard Stallman
wrote:<br>
>
<a href="https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ" target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ</a>
<br>
<br>
> I suspect that people will find it impossible to fill in
answers there<br>
> without running a large nonfree Javascript program.<br>
<br>
> The Pirate Party doesn't campaign for abolishing nonfree
software.<br>
> But is it good Pirate Party activities to push people into
using<br>
> nonfree software?<br>
<br>
A better question we have to ask ourselves is, "what is the aim of
the<br>
Pirate Party?"<br>
<br>
Is it to be the political arm for the FSF, as Sinn Fein was for
the IRA? No.<br>
Therefore your question is really more of a distraction from our
core<br>
aims. Personally, I don't care if it's 'free' not 'nonfree' so
long as<br>
it enabled me to do the work that needs doing. We could spend time<br>
making sure we only use 'free software', or we could spend time
working<br>
on our core issues. I think out time is better spent on the
latter. If<br>
there's a readily available 'free' option, that takes little/no
extra<br>
time and effort, then sure, use it if you want, but we have so
much to<br>
do, and so little in the way of resources, that it's a
time&effort<br>
wasting distraction that we can ill-afford.<br>
<br>
Sure, Mozart could have spent another 90mins making a pure html
version<br>
for 'free use', but that's 90mins that has been spent to do the
same<br>
job, and thus 90mins that couldn't be spent on something else,
like<br>
ACTA, or any one of a dozen other pressing issues. then the extra
time<br>
to process things after.... It's a luxury we can't afford, even if
you can.<br>
<br>
And suggesting we take extra time, to satisfy some philosophical<br>
position that isn't even a pirate position... that just doesn't
seem<br>
logical, does it? More like touting a philosophy for the sake of
it really.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> --<br>
> Dr Richard Stallman<br>
> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
> 51 Franklin St<br>
> Boston MA 02110<br>
> USA<br>
> <a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a> <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
> Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.<br>
> Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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