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Dear Antonio,<br>
<br>
Can you just stop refering to me? <br>
<br>
IMO, you're an "idealist" (to be polite) who loves to make people
waste their time, just another point of view :)<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
Al 08/05/12 18:59, En/na Antonio Garcia ha escrit:
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I ditched PAYPAL right after the WikiLeaks scandal, and I'm not
backtracking.<br>
<br>
And Kenneth sounds like the fucking RIAA calculating lost
profits ;) .<br>
<br>
Pragmatism without ethics will get us nowhere (why am I thinking<font
style="font-size: 10pt;" size="2"> Vågmästarställning here?).<br>
<br>
Stupidity is not the only sin that plagues humanity.<br>
<br>
<br>
Antonio.<br>
PP-ES<br>
<br>
<br>
P.S.: I'm sorry Kenneth, you can come and collect in Brussels
any time you want. Can't do otherwise in an economically
feasible way, as I do not even have a bank account ;) . <br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 13:36:28 +0200<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marko.mitrovic@piratskapartija.com">marko.mitrovic@piratskapartija.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Research Survey.<br>
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This is how I imagine ancient Greek philosophers worked. They
sat in circles and for hours and days debated pointless things
instead of taking some action. We are true direct democrats :)<br>
<br>
And I can't make paypal donation, it's not functional in my
country :P<br>
<br>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 1:25 PM,
Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
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<div> Dear Andrew,<br>
<br>
Ok, I understand we must be efficient, right, but this
whole thread is POINTLESS.<br>
<br>
There's loads of FLOSS tools to create polls/surveys and
it just takes 3 minutes to install them, or just pay 30$
to someone else and you'll get it as a service.<br>
<br>
Creating the poll/survey itself is time consuming in any
platform, free or privative.<br>
<br>
This whole chatting wasted a lot more time than creating
the survey itself. Let's take 5 minutes / participant's
email * 18, that's at least 90 minutes, + readers.<br>
<br>
I charge my hours from 40 to 80 €, so, we wasted more
than 100 €, 4 times what it costs to pay to get this
thing done.<br>
<br>
Talking about efficiency, we are stupid.<br>
<br>
Next one to reply this thread is invited to make a
paypal donation of 5€. In 2 hours we'll get the cash to
pay it.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Al 08/05/12 09:18, En/na Andrew Norton ha escrit:
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<blockquote>On 5/5/2012 11:23 AM, Richard Stallman
wrote:<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ"
target="_blank">https://docs.google.com/a/pirateparty.org.au/spreadsheet/viewform?formkey=dGN0NkNDODVHZHg3T0hKSWFtT1VYbXc6MQ</a>
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<br>
> I suspect that people will find it impossible
to fill in answers there<br>
> without running a large nonfree Javascript
program.<br>
<br>
> The Pirate Party doesn't campaign for
abolishing nonfree software.<br>
> But is it good Pirate Party activities to
push people into using<br>
> nonfree software?<br>
<br>
A better question we have to ask ourselves is,
"what is the aim of the<br>
Pirate Party?"<br>
<br>
Is it to be the political arm for the FSF, as Sinn
Fein was for the IRA? No.<br>
Therefore your question is really more of a
distraction from our core<br>
aims. Personally, I don't care if it's 'free' not
'nonfree' so long as<br>
it enabled me to do the work that needs doing. We
could spend time<br>
making sure we only use 'free software', or we
could spend time working<br>
on our core issues. I think out time is better
spent on the latter. If<br>
there's a readily available 'free' option, that
takes little/no extra<br>
time and effort, then sure, use it if you want,
but we have so much to<br>
do, and so little in the way of resources, that
it's a time&effort<br>
wasting distraction that we can ill-afford.<br>
<br>
Sure, Mozart could have spent another 90mins
making a pure html version<br>
for 'free use', but that's 90mins that has been
spent to do the same<br>
job, and thus 90mins that couldn't be spent on
something else, like<br>
ACTA, or any one of a dozen other pressing issues.
then the extra time<br>
to process things after.... It's a luxury we can't
afford, even if you can.<br>
<br>
And suggesting we take extra time, to satisfy some
philosophical<br>
position that isn't even a pirate position... that
just doesn't seem<br>
logical, does it? More like touting a philosophy
for the sake of it really.<br>
<br>
Andrew<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
> --<br>
> Dr Richard Stallman<br>
> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
> 51 Franklin St<br>
> Boston MA 02110<br>
> USA<br>
> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
> Skype: No way! That's nonfree
(freedom-denying) software.<br>
> Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
>
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