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    To discuss this in the founding conference is a bit kamikaze ...
    better to do the homework on beforehand.<br>
    <br>
    PPEU sucks in Spain, as the conservatives cutting every social
    benefit are the "PP"<br>
    <br>
    In Spain, a party can choose its short name. Partido Pirata uses
    "PIRATA", and Pirates de Catalunya uses "PIRATA.CAT".<br>
    <br>
    Can't we simply use a word? PIRATES ? is it mandatory to be an
    abbreviation? If so, the most popular name so far has been European
    Pirates, so, EP, fuck the parliament and let's simply take on it xD<br>
    <br>
    We are the real parliament, we use liquid/direct democracy. Any
    other party is just squatting some seats xDDD<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    <br>
    Kenneth<br>
    <br>
    Al 09/05/12 02:22, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CACWaH_BFrWa1D8hhUyC1QWSCnpH47v=8fLcWgTXeC2hFfxLD7Q@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">I think the discussion should be made at the founding
      conference, actually. Also, what is wrong with PPEU?<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:06 AM, Jerry
        Weyer <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:weyerjerry@gmail.com" target="_blank">weyerjerry@gmail.com</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
        <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
          .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hello
          Amelia,
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>As usually one of the very first articles in statutes in
            the name of the organization to be founded I think this is
            the task of the statutes workgroup. And your proposal makes
            sense, even if I would want to see if we could take over
            "EPP" and turn it into sth good, just like we took over
            "Pirates" ;) </div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I think the statutes group should prepare a few
            reasonable alternatives and then at some point in the future
            make a decision.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Kind regards,</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Jerry
            <div>
              <div class="h5"><br>
                <br>
                <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 1:55 AM,
                  Amelia Andersdotter <span dir="ltr"><<a
                      moz-do-not-send="true"
                      href="mailto:teirdes@gmail.com" target="_blank">teirdes@gmail.com</a>></span>
                  wrote:<br>
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                    <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> Dear all,<br>
                      <br>
                      I think it should be of high priority for our
                      working groups to determine a name the
                      abbreviation of which will not be easily confused
                      with "EPP" (European People's Party). They are
                      presently the largest parliamentary political
                      group, with around 320 members belonging to
                      conservative, christian and
                      ultra-conservative/neocon parties from all over
                      the Union. See <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.epp.eu" target="_blank">http://www.epp.eu</a><br>
                      <br>
                      For language reasons, also PPE (Partido Popular
                      Europeo) should be excluded, as well as EP
                      (European Parliament) and PE (Parlement
                      européene). <br>
                      <br>
                      If we form the Party of European Pirates, we could
                      make it a standing activity to organise PEP-talks.<br>
                      <br>
                      sincerely,<br>
                      <br>
                      Amelia<br>
                      <br>
                      Pe 09.05.2012 01:32, Martina Pöser a scris:
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                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <p>Dear fellow Pirates,</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>there is a lot to do to prepare for the
                              EU elections in 2014. And what better time
                              to start than now? ;-)</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>I've prepared tools for two work groups:</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>No. 1: We will try to create a common EU
                              election programme for all Pirate Parties
                              in member states of the European Union.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Who wants to help here, please subscribe
                              to this mailing list:</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu.programme"
                                target="_blank">http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu.programme</a></p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>No. 2: We will try to create different
                              sets of statutes for a PPEU ("European
                              Pirate Party/Parties" or "Pirate
                              Party/Parties of Europe"), one of which
                              might be chosen to become the foundation
                              for a possible future PPEU.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Who wants to help here, please subscribe
                              to this mailing list:</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu.statutes"
                                target="_blank">http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu.statutes</a></p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>All work will be done in a piratepad and
                              results will be posted on Wiki and the
                              general PPEU-ML (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu" target="_blank">http://lists.pp-international.net/listinfo/pp-eu</a>).
                              So anyone who is only interested in
                              discussing the results can do that then
                              and there.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>To coordinate our affords we will convene
                              in mumble-conferences on a regular basis.
                              The meeting place will be the German NRW
                              mumble/International/PPEU (almost at the
                              end of the list). If you need help to find
                              the room or set up the server, please ask
                              me and I try to help you.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>For a first meeting I created two
                              doodles. Please note down the dates and
                              times which are convenient for you until
                              Thursday evening 22:00 MET. To make it
                              possible for people (and me) to visit both
                              meetings, I will choose two different days
                              from the results.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Doodle for EU Programme Work Group:</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://www.doodle.com/5afdbyyfmhykukfy"
                                target="_blank">http://www.doodle.com/5afdbyyfmhykukfy</a>
                              (all times are MET)</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Doodle for PPEU Statutes Work Group:</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p><a moz-do-not-send="true"
                                href="http://doodle.com/75h6ipg6csew5kqm"
                                target="_blank">http://doodle.com/75h6ipg6csew5kqm</a>
                              (all times are MET)</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>During the launch meetings all necessary
                              "orga-foo" will be discussed, So it would
                              be a good thing for all people who really
                              want to work with these groups to try to
                              be present then.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Working language will be English, but we
                              will try to translate any future results
                              into as many languages as possible.</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>To contact all possibly interested
                              people, please x-post this mail on all
                              those lists that you deem the right place
                              for this and where this mail hasn't been
                              posted yet. </p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>I hope there will be many people who like
                              to contribute to any of these two
                              projects, as there will be a lot of work
                              ahead of us!</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Excitedly,</p>
                            <p> </p>
                            <p>Martina Poeser</p>
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