<p>I'm with Gareth here.</p>
<p>This Watson guy is total nutjob.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On May 15, 2012 11:38 PM, "Gareth Nelson" <<a href="mailto:gareth@garethnelson.com">gareth@garethnelson.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Someone else may not step up and say it so I will.<br>
<br>
I'm not a party leader or official of any of the pirate parties, just<br>
a regular member of the UK Pirate Party who should probably be more<br>
active.<br>
<br>
With that out of the way, i'd like to condemn your view here very<br>
strongly in public.<br>
<br>
First and most important - pirate politics are about civil liberties<br>
with particular attention to information freedom issues evolving out<br>
of the over-the-top enforcement of an increasingly burdensome<br>
copyright law that holds back technological development and culture.<br>
<br>
Environmental issues are important of course and there is some overlap<br>
(for example, holding back eBooks and downloadable movies and software<br>
with stupid DRM measures or requiring multiple physical copies of a<br>
particular copyrighted work is bad for the environment when it means<br>
producing more physical optical discs and so on, alongside the general<br>
wasted resources - why burn up fossil fuels delivering physical DVDs<br>
and Blu Rays etc)<br>
<br>
Essentially, it's a huge stretch to say that environmental issues are<br>
part of our civil liberties or anything like a core part of pirate<br>
ideology, even though I imagine most pirates will have fairly green<br>
views due to simple intelligence and foresight or the widespread<br>
anti-corporate bent amongst some of our brothers and sisters. (By the<br>
way, this is one of our strengths - most pirate politics is neither<br>
left or right and can work within both contexts as simple defence of<br>
free market and libertarian principles as applied to copyright laws<br>
and data privacy or as a defence against the perceived unjust power of<br>
corporations to control our culture and government and we have a mix<br>
of supporters from across the political spectrum who have all managed<br>
to agree on our core and rational ideals of freedom and our interest<br>
in preserving and protecting our culture).<br>
<br>
One issue that really is a civil rights issue that comes to mind is<br>
drug prohibition and cannabis legalisation in particular. While I<br>
myself personally consider the use of recreational drugs to be a<br>
stupid idea for the most part, I take the libertarian view that people<br>
have the right to do as they please with their own body. But I still<br>
opposed the proposal a while back to make the legalisation of cannabis<br>
part of PPUK's formal platform despite the obvious philosophical<br>
compatibility.<br>
<br>
My reason for opposing the cannabis proposal directly leads into the<br>
second reason why I oppose your views here. As drug legalisation is<br>
both a controversial issue and is not part of our core important<br>
agenda, it would be unwise to turn off potential supporters by<br>
formally supporting it. I believe the best policy for pirate parties<br>
in representative democracies is for candidates to look to the party<br>
only for core pirate ideals and to local voters (and thus, hopefully<br>
future constituents) for what issues matter to actual citizens.<br>
<br>
As another personal example, I am an autism rights activist (not so<br>
active these days, but a quick google will give you plenty of info on<br>
my past) and have spoken out many times against the practice of using<br>
autism as a "get out of jail free card", as I believe that to have<br>
rights in society we must also abide by our responsibilities. If<br>
autism grants immunity from criminal law on the theory that autistics<br>
are somehow incapable of being law-abiding citizens then autistics can<br>
not expect to have full freedoms either.<br>
<br>
So when I was first looking into joining PPUK and heard that the party<br>
was considering officially condoning support for the "free gary<br>
mckinnon" nonsense I very nearly did not sign up - I can not in good<br>
conscience lend my support (even indirectly) to any cause that could<br>
risk impairing my freedom and human rights and have repeatedly held to<br>
my conviction that Gary McKinnon should be treated the same as any<br>
other citizen charged with the same crimes he was charged with.<br>
Otherwise, if autistics are legally exempt from prosecution for<br>
cybercrime offenses then the most rational thing to do would be to<br>
prohibit internet access to autistics as we will be judged incapable<br>
of understanding and abiding by the law in this area.<br>
<br>
Only after PPUK dropped the support for the Free Gary campaign could I<br>
lend my support. There are many many other potential issues such as<br>
this which could turn away much-needed allies. We will never know if<br>
for example the above issue turned away another potential strong ally<br>
with much to offer simply due to short-sightedness. Some people would<br>
not have bothered to express their concerns as I did and would see a<br>
cause they strongly disagree with and never look at the party a second<br>
time.<br>
<br>
As our movement is already considered fringe by most and is only<br>
recently starting to make strides such as the recent electoral<br>
successes in Germany it is very unwise to turn off potential allies by<br>
adding issues which they may not agree with like this.<br>
<br>
A review of Paul Watson's activities show him to be essentially an<br>
animal rights extremist (not animal welfare, animal rights - the<br>
latter being far far more controversial and including other extremists<br>
such as PETA). These are the type who consider meat eaters to be<br>
literal murderers and respond with massive over-reaction, sometimes<br>
resorting to outright murder of their fellow man. I for one consider<br>
such people traitors to the species but that is my opinion and mine<br>
along and I would never expect a pirate party to officially condemn<br>
them as that is not the appropriate place to fight this battle.<br>
<br>
Paul Watson has been involved with some of the following, which at the<br>
very least you can see could be turn-offs to otherwise potential<br>
allies and friends:<br>
<br>
Assault of a police officer<br>
Anti-immigration politics<br>
Far too many marine sabotage incidents to list - again, this is simple<br>
terrorism and I would argue comes close to literal piracy in the<br>
original meaning of the term (attacking people on the sea), absolutely<br>
not the mental association we want people to have in the media<br>
Various charges of attempted murder<br>
<br>
This man does not even deny being a terrorist: "There's nothing wrong<br>
with being a terrorist, as long as you win. Then you write the<br>
history."<br>
<br>
With regard to the most recent case, what i've been able to find<br>
myself so far shows that there are conflicting stories and some<br>
possible video evidence showing his innocence, and therefore this most<br>
recent case may be one of undeserved charges and the associated<br>
injustice. That still does not mean any of us should openly support<br>
this man and his cause, whether you think it noble or not, is still<br>
extremely controversial and not related to core pirate ideals.<br>
<br>
Having said all the above, I urge you to in future keep your personal<br>
support of this man and his cause seperate from your work with any<br>
pirate party or PPI, the negative PR can only harm our cause. I hope<br>
you can find the maturity to realise that your other ideals and causes<br>
need not be linked to pirate politics and doing so may in many cases<br>
cause more harm than good. I appreciate your stating that this is not<br>
an official viewpoint of your party, but that matters little to the<br>
media circus and to copyright maximalists who would love to associate<br>
our movement with criminality and terrorism for cheap character<br>
assassination.<br>
<br>
Politics is sometimes a dirty game, our opponents will use any "dirt"<br>
they can to compete, so we should not fuel them.<br>
<br>
Although this all may come across as an attack, I offer the above only<br>
in the interest of helping one cause that we obviously do both share -<br>
that of pirate politics.<br>
<br>
Best Wishes<br>
Gareth Nelson<br>
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“Lanie, I’m going to print more printers. Lots more printers. One for<br>
everyone. That’s worth going to jail for. That’s worth anything.” -<br>
Printcrime by Cory Doctrow<br>
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On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:26 PM, Travis McCrea <<a href="mailto:me@travismccrea.com">me@travismccrea.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Okay, I know that many of you may have problems with Paul Watson and his organization, but I have spoke out before about how similar our causes are. We are both fighting the same battle in different arenas, as far as I am concerned. Paul Watson was recently arrested for something he was accused of doing years and years ago.<br>
><br>
> Right now Germany is preparing to extradite him unless the courts block it.<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://my.seashepherd.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=572&srctid=1&erid=3711258" target="_blank">https://my.seashepherd.org/NetCommunity/Page.aspx?pid=572&srctid=1&erid=3711258</a> here is the email plea, I never email this list about non-pirate related topics, and I find it annoying when other people do. However, this is important and as I said, I do view this as a pirate issue. Without an environment we cannot live, which seems to me like a violation of our civil liberties.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Travis McCrea<br>
> Deputy Leader, Pirate Party of Canada<br>
> Chief Administrative Officer, Pirate Parties International<br>
> Captain, United States Pirate Party (PNC)<br>
> Member, Washington State Pirate Party<br>
><br>
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