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    No, I'm not against German banks, even lesser with German people and
    not at all with PP-DE.<br>
    <br>
    It was just an appointment to make it clear why the German
    government puts extra pressure in cutbacks:<br>
    <br>
    Spanish government has put around 300.000 M€ into the Spanish banks
    that owe debt to German banks. that is almost a 20% of the budget
    every year. This is to save Spanish banks from cracking down, sure,
    but if they crack, the ones that would crack just afterwards would
    be the German lenders. That is what I meant with my email, that
    Merkel requires cutbacks in southern Europe to save the German
    banks.<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    Regards,<br>
    <br>
    Kenneth<br>
    <br>
    Al 17/05/12 02:52, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
    <blockquote
cite="mid:CACWaH_AFvQZZOYq5VPd5rp6fZUPn1G=JCoqMX4GDYBwog0kj6A@mail.gmail.com"
      type="cite">So you think this money goes into the German banks
      because of benevolence? I think it is just another form of
      corruption in a way. Well hidden, but there is no real reason to
      do it other than politician saying that it is 'without
      alternative' (Oh how I hate those words!)<br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Kenneth
        Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
            href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
        wrote:<br>
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          <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> That is a little bit
            simplistic and pre-judgement...<br>
            <br>
            Corruption exists, and is shameful and harmful, but
            corruption doesn't evaporate a 10% of Spanish government's
            budget, banks do it.<br>
            <br>
            BTW, most Spanish, Italian and Greek debt, which is the main
            "reason" for cutbacks in healthcare, education and every
            other social expenditure.<br>
            <br>
            Do you know who owns most of that debt? private german
            banks.<br>
            <br>
            That is why Mrs. Merkel is so stressed with the possibility
            of Greek government stopping any debt payments.<br>
            <br>
            Regards,<br>
            <br>
            Kenneth<br>
            <br>
            Al 16/05/12 18:29, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
            <div>
              <div class="h5">
                <blockquote type="cite">Well, we are <a
                    moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2012-05/europa-jugend-arbeitslosigkeit/seite-1"
                    target="_blank">talking</a> about it in Germany,
                  because of immigration and our universal care system
                  it will hit us sooner rather than later. I don't think
                  that austerity is the biggest problem, rather it is
                  corrupt and incapable politicians that can not be
                  voted out of office (like in Spain, Italy or Greece)
                  and budget cuts that hit social welfare and education
                  rather than infrastructure, politicians' wages or
                  saving 'important' industries like banks, car
                  manufacturers and the likes.
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                  <div>The Pirate Party Germany is against the ESM in
                    its current form (well, officially afaik only the PP
                    of NRW is against it, but so far any pirate you
                    talked to thinks that it is a bad idea that is
                    clearly not working).</div>
                  <div>Combine that with the unconditional basic income
                    and the freedom of education (as in educational
                    material and free schools and universities) that we
                    have as official aims and I think we have found a
                    way to solve this crisis over here.<br>
                    <br>
                    <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 16, 2012 at
                      6:10 PM, Richard Stallman <span dir="ltr"><<a
                          moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>></span>
                      wrote:<br>
                      <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0
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                        solid;padding-left:1ex"> The biggest political
                        issue in much of Europe today is the austerity<br>
                        death spiral, aka shock capitalism.<br>
                        <br>
                        That problem is not occurring in Germany, so the
                        Pirate Party can get<br>
                        votes there without talking about that issue.
                         However, a party in<br>
                        Spain, Italy, or Greece which doesn't give that
                        issue an important<br>
                        place is not addressing the people's concerns.
                         The coming Greek<br>
                        election will be, in effect, a referendum on
                        this.<br>
                        <br>
                        I therefore propose that the Pirate Movement
                        take a stand: Tyrant<br>
                        banks, walk the plank!<br>
                        <br>
                        --<br>
                        Dr Richard Stallman<br>
                        President, Free Software Foundation<br>
                        51 Franklin St<br>
                        Boston MA 02110<br>
                        USA<br>
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                         <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                          href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
                        Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying)
                        software.<br>
                         Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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