Yeah, but I think the fact that we have a system that has such intertwined banks and basically socializes their risks means that capitalism is not working for them anymore and I think leaving the system like that is basically corruption.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 3:25 AM, Kenneth Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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No, I'm not against German banks, even lesser with German people and
not at all with PP-DE.<br>
<br>
It was just an appointment to make it clear why the German
government puts extra pressure in cutbacks:<br>
<br>
Spanish government has put around 300.000 M€ into the Spanish banks
that owe debt to German banks. that is almost a 20% of the budget
every year. This is to save Spanish banks from cracking down, sure,
but if they crack, the ones that would crack just afterwards would
be the German lenders. That is what I meant with my email, that
Merkel requires cutbacks in southern Europe to save the German
banks.<br>
<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
Al 17/05/12 02:52, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
<div><div class="h5"><blockquote type="cite">So you think this money goes into the German banks
because of benevolence? I think it is just another form of
corruption in a way. Well hidden, but there is no real reason to
do it other than politician saying that it is 'without
alternative' (Oh how I hate those words!)<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 2:15 AM, Kenneth
Peiruza <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> That is a little bit
simplistic and pre-judgement...<br>
<br>
Corruption exists, and is shameful and harmful, but
corruption doesn't evaporate a 10% of Spanish government's
budget, banks do it.<br>
<br>
BTW, most Spanish, Italian and Greek debt, which is the main
"reason" for cutbacks in healthcare, education and every
other social expenditure.<br>
<br>
Do you know who owns most of that debt? private german
banks.<br>
<br>
That is why Mrs. Merkel is so stressed with the possibility
of Greek government stopping any debt payments.<br>
<br>
Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth<br>
<br>
Al 16/05/12 18:29, En/na Justus Römeth ha escrit:
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<blockquote type="cite">Well, we are <a href="http://www.zeit.de/wirtschaft/2012-05/europa-jugend-arbeitslosigkeit/seite-1" target="_blank">talking</a> about it in Germany,
because of immigration and our universal care system
it will hit us sooner rather than later. I don't think
that austerity is the biggest problem, rather it is
corrupt and incapable politicians that can not be
voted out of office (like in Spain, Italy or Greece)
and budget cuts that hit social welfare and education
rather than infrastructure, politicians' wages or
saving 'important' industries like banks, car
manufacturers and the likes.
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<div>The Pirate Party Germany is against the ESM in
its current form (well, officially afaik only the PP
of NRW is against it, but so far any pirate you
talked to thinks that it is a bad idea that is
clearly not working).</div>
<div>Combine that with the unconditional basic income
and the freedom of education (as in educational
material and free schools and universities) that we
have as official aims and I think we have found a
way to solve this crisis over here.<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, May 16, 2012 at
6:10 PM, Richard Stallman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> The biggest political
issue in much of Europe today is the austerity<br>
death spiral, aka shock capitalism.<br>
<br>
That problem is not occurring in Germany, so the
Pirate Party can get<br>
votes there without talking about that issue.
However, a party in<br>
Spain, Italy, or Greece which doesn't give that
issue an important<br>
place is not addressing the people's concerns.
The coming Greek<br>
election will be, in effect, a referendum on
this.<br>
<br>
I therefore propose that the Pirate Movement
take a stand: Tyrant<br>
banks, walk the plank!<br>
<br>
--<br>
Dr Richard Stallman<br>
President, Free Software Foundation<br>
51 Franklin St<br>
Boston MA 02110<br>
USA<br>
<a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a>
<a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying)
software.<br>
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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