Why do you need to tell i'm childish and that my argument are weird? Be factual, don't make any subjective statement please. <br><br>As for the resources, there are not so many brains really working on these issues worldwide on an everyday basis (450 lead authors and ~800 contributing authors worked on the last IPCC report).<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:07 AM, Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Now you just sound childish while making up hypothetical scenarios that suit your weird arguments, tbh. If our resources were that strained we'd be f'cked either way. This is not a Roland Emmerich movie!<div class="HOEnZb">
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On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Charly Pache <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:charly.pache@gmail.com" target="_blank">charly.pache@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
The argument is that human kind has a limited amount of energy, resource and time and it's better to put focus on the most efficient ways of reaching our goal. In a limited world, we have to prioritize and yes, these two things could be mutually exclusive if we realize we have to put all your resources in one solution or the other. So my argument is an argument, definitely.<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:35 AM, Justus Römeth <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:squig@dfpx.de" target="_blank">squig@dfpx.de</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As others have stated, reducing CO2 emissions is a worthy goal even if they are not responsible for global warming. At the same time we have to plan for the scenario that we will not be able to stop global warming whatever we do, and act accordingly. Those two things are not mutually exclusive, so your argument is not really an argument at all.<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:14 AM, Charly Pache <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:charly.pache@gmail.com" target="_blank">charly.pache@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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No, it was just insinuating that i'm ignorant that i didn't like, and transforming my words to let think i said something i never said.<br><br>One last thought about this topic.<br><br>Imagine one day, in let say 20 years, we realize the main cause of the global warming was not C02, but sun fluctuation. <br>
<br>And that we suddenly realize that during the last 20 years we took measures to cut-off C02 emissions and that these heavy measures didn't stop global warming at all cos in fact, we didn't analyse toroughouly the topic at the beginning and we blindly accepted for granted the C02 theory, even if we didn't have all the necessary data. <br>
<br>That's dangerous. Because then will realize we lost 20 years into looking for other solutions, like this one [1] or these ones [2][3], in the case the sun would be the cause.<br><br>Take care, warm thoughts ;) Charly<br>
<br>[1] Obama climate adviser open to geo-engineering to tackle global warming: <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/08/geo-engineering-john-holdren" target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/apr/08/geo-engineering-john-holdren</a><br>
[2] Geoengineering experiment cancelled amid patent row (15th May 2012!, please note that climate engineering is not yet allowed under international law): <a href="http://www.nature.com/news/geoengineering-experiment-cancelled-amid-patent-row-1.10645" target="_blank">http://www.nature.com/news/geoengineering-experiment-cancelled-amid-patent-row-1.10645</a><br>
[3] A (not so up-to-date) list of geoengineering patents filed by many private corporations (and i didn't say it's bad, if situation on Earth will be unbearable, we will have to raise the issue): <a href="http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/patents.html" target="_blank">http://www.lightwatcher.com/chemtrails/patents.html</a><div>
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<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 4:43 AM, Richard Stallman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> Re-read my messages please, I never said there is no global warming going<br>
on, on the contrary, we argued here on whether it was really man made or<br>
natural, like it could be assumed as the other planets in our solar system<br>
get warmer as well. And I never said 4°C in Switzerland is the proof that<br>
there is no global warming<br>
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</div>By mentioning it in this discussion, you presented it as relevant to<br>
the issue. If you misspoke, you can say so and people will disregard<br>
that apparent meaning. But don't criticize people for responding for<br>
what you appear to say.<br>
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Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.<br>
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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