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On 18/05/12 03:20, roberto aka robske wrote:
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cite="mid:CAOXUHSeQCeFmkVTzMgO2SMUr_xPYGwPvdMSiuToUhni_WmH93A@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">While I oppose global heating, I do support actions to
cut CO2 and other pollutants output. Even if global heating
wouldn't be true, we'd still have the problem of these gases
endangering our ozone layer (which is critical for modern day's
life on Earth), polluting areas and causing a health hazard for
life. Another reason why I'd support is, that I wouldn't want to
gamble our civilization on it, as earlier mentioned by others.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:32 PM, Charly
Pache <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:charly.pache@gmail.com" target="_blank">charly.pache@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Thanks for the replies and links! I really think we should
create a special pirate climate taskforce, indeed, there is
passion here. <br>
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You're right by the way, it's a really important topic and we
should try to do something even if we are not sure about the
effect of human activity, the cartoon illustrated it very
well. As I said, I'm not against protecting our environment
but we have to stay rational and not fall into
fear-and-emotions reaction scheme. And if it is so important,
then spend all the money to search for alternatives, or even
forbid human activity which increase the temperature.<br>
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Even in the guardian's website you can see that the situation
is not that alarming as many think:<br>
# a<br>
"points to a rise of about three-quarters of a degree celsius
in the past century" [1]<br>
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then they agree it's not more than the natural increase of
~1°C/century already observed before the industrial revolution
because we are recovering from the little ice age [3]<br>
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# b<br>
""If some newly discovered factor can account for the climate
change then why aren't carbon dioxide and the other greenhouse
gases producing the warming that basic physics tells us they
should be?" [2]<br>
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because as said, (co2 increase)/(temperature increase) is not
linear as assumed in the IPCC model but logarithmic [5].<br>
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# c<br>
here is an article about the cause/consequence roles of
temperature increase and co2 increase : [4]<br>
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# d<br>
i couldn't find the story of the sun scientist who made the
predictions, he died some years ago. But here an other article
about cycle 25 of our beloved sun, which would peak in 2022
[6]<br>
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[1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/27/world-warming"
target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/27/world-warming</a><br>
[2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/30/humans-causing-global-warming"
target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/dec/30/humans-causing-global-warming</a><br>
[3] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/29/little-ice-age"
target="_blank">http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/sep/29/little-ice-age</a><br>
[4] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/09/a-study-the-temperature-rise-has-caused-the-co2-increase-not-the-other-way-around/"
target="_blank">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/06/09/a-study-the-temperature-rise-has-caused-the-co2-increase-not-the-other-way-around/</a><br>
[5] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/"
target="_blank">http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/</a><br>
[6] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html"
target="_blank">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2093264/Forget-global-warming--Cycle-25-need-worry-NASA-scientists-right-Thames-freezing-again.html</a>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 8:11 PM,
Jan Lettow <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:janlettow@gmail.com" target="_blank">janlettow@gmail.com</a>></span>
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Grist also has a series on this.<br>
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<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://grist.org/series/skeptics/"
target="_blank">http://grist.org/series/skeptics/</a><br>
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