Of course there are sometimes higher powers. But it is unusual for them to take out good parts of a biggish team (and the IT-team of a Pirate Party should be nothing to sneeze at ;-) [Says the social scientist that never even installed Linux])<br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 9:02 PM, Andy Halsall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk" target="_blank">a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">On Monday 28 May 2012 19:48:07 Justus Römeth wrote:<br>
> Yeah great officers/volunteers would not just drop out ;-)<br>
<br>
</div>True, but they do get dumped on and eventually can end up taking a step back,<br>
or get hit by a bus, or ill, or have kids (surprise!) etc.. It does put lots<br>
of eggs in a few baskets and doesn't help in delegation (And then it gets<br>
compelx..).<br>
<br>
But agreed to a certain extent.<br>
<div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">><br>
> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 8:35 PM, Andy Halsall<br>
><br>
> <<a href="mailto:a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk">a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk</a>>wrote:<br>
> > On Monday 28 May 2012 18:21:56 Justus Römeth wrote:<br>
> > > Mailing Lists (plural) and Redmine certainly helped us, but in the end<br>
> > > party-wide communication is just very iffy or nearly impossible with a<br>
> > > certain size.<br>
> ><br>
> > I've looked at redmine and it didn't seem to fit, or rather would<br>
> > introduce fairly large admin overhead and make it hard to simply<br>
> > delegate stuff out (providing a system only works if it gets used after<br>
> > all, we just shut down a<br>
> > feng-office install on the basis of non-use).<br>
> ><br>
> > > There certainly is no 'one-size-fits-all' approach,<br>
> > > especially as soon as you start to attract 'offliners'.<br>
> ><br>
> > True.<br>
> ><br>
> > > Having great<br>
> > > elected party officers with big teams of volunteers behind them<br>
> > > certainly helps keeping somehow track of things happening.<br>
> ><br>
> > Yeah that's kind of where we have been, the problem comes if people drop<br>
> > out,<br>
> > we lose where we are with stuff, which is less than helpful.<br>
> ><br>
> > > On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 6:53 PM, Andy Halsall<br>
> > ><br>
> > > <<a href="mailto:a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk">a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk</a>>wrote:<br>
> > > > Hey ho,<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > Looking for some ideas on coordination and campaigns support from an<br>
> > > > IT perspective. I've been evaluating Things like groupware<br>
> > > > packages, civicrm and<br>
> > > > other crm packages and a couple of project apps, but haven't found<br>
> > > > anything that ticks even most of the boxes yet.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > I wondered what people were aware of that might make the following<br>
> ><br>
> > easier:<br>
> > > > 1a. Inbound Communications (tracking inbound communications to<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > teams and<br>
> > > > making sure that follow ups happen and can be handed between people).<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > 1b. Outbound Communications (the ability to drop out mailings<br>
> > > > to<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > groups<br>
> > > > based on some criteria - location, membership, interests etc..)<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > 2. Task management, the delegation of and acceptance of 'stuff<br>
> > > > that<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > needs<br>
> > > > to be done' within a team.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > 3. Reporting on and tracking of the effectiveness of our<br>
> ><br>
> > actions,<br>
> ><br>
> > > > whether<br>
> > > > that's a specific campaign or event. This should also include things<br>
> > > > like donation and membership payments being linked to a 'thing' if<br>
> ><br>
> > there<br>
> ><br>
> > > > was a thing that caused the donation/membership.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > At the moment we are using calendars, forums and mailing list and a<br>
> ><br>
> > wiki,<br>
> ><br>
> > > > but<br>
> > > > as we get more people coming in for contact it's getting harder to<br>
> > > > use sensibly and delegation is not as simple as it could be.<br>
> > > > Essentially<br>
> ><br>
> > we<br>
> ><br>
> > > > are<br>
> > > > making our lives harder than they need to be when it comes to<br>
> > > > organisation online.<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > We also have a mild issue in the way we are organised for elections,<br>
> ><br>
> > that<br>
> ><br>
> > > > is<br>
> > > > to say because it's all FPTP and very local much of the time, we have<br>
> ><br>
> > to<br>
> ><br>
> > > > be able make use of this to get pretty granular, down to areas that<br>
> > > > are essentially small town sized, especially for issues, whilst<br>
> > > > still being able<br>
> > > > to task national resources for support...<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > So, any ideas? What are others doing?<br>
> > > ><br>
> > > ><br>
> > > > --<br>
> > > > Andy Halsall<br>
> > > > Campaigns Officer<br>
> > > > Pirate Party UK<br>
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Andy Halsall<br>
Campaigns Officer<br>
Pirate Party UK<br>
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