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Phew!<br><br>If the debate is democracy vs consensus... some few have no idea about what democracy is.<br><br>And if it takes not one vote against for something to be consensual... well, consensus is not unanimity.<br><br>Democracy is absolutely not the 50,01% doing what it wants, with the 49,99% trying to avoid it or planning to reverse everything as soon as lady fortune smiles their way.<br><br><br>The problem lies within the level of education, knowledge and wisdom of the participants, specially those called to be part of the majority.<br><br>Try to play a football match with nobody in both teams knowing the rules of the game, and at times in which of the teams he is playing ;( .<br><br><br>The rules donīt help but to fool oneself, if the spirit and the intent arenīt present.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br>PP-ES<br><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Fri, 13 Jul 2012 13:06:01 +0200<br>From: jakobsheep@gmail.com<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] CONSENSUS<br><br>This brings up what is a hot issue here in in France as well. We debate now about the democracy versus consensus.<br>
On one side the democracy can become a dictatorship of the majority. As on the other side consensus is incredibly slow because nothing moves until there is not even one vote against the proposal.<BR>
I'm for concensus because this is the ONLY way to guaranty protection from the abuse of a majority against a minority or even a single person.<BR>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Jul 13, 2012 12:48 p.m., "Andy Halsall" <<a href="mailto:a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk">a.halsall@pirateparty.org.uk</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On Friday 13 July 2012 01:19:45 Richard Stallman wrote:<br>
> There is nothing "100% secure-proofed" in a world where we can't even<br>
> decide if we're living in the matrix.<br>
><br>
> The question is not whether it is "100% secure-proofed".<br>
> The question is whether it is grossly rotten or not.<br>
><br>
> For traditional voting systems, we have some idea of how<br>
> vulnerable they are -- from simple experience. For new proposed<br>
> computerized systems, we don't have experience to go by.<br>
> They are surely less than 100% reliable, but are they<br>
> less than 10% reliable? We don't know, and actually using<br>
> them gives us little information, since we cannot check<br>
> the official results they give.<br>
<br>
For me it has always been a question as to the benefits of computerised voting.<br>
<br>
What problems are we trying to solve? Participation? Speed of getting a result?<br>
><br>
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> Dr Richard Stallman<br>
> President, Free Software Foundation<br>
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> Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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