<p>+1 Maxime</p>
<p>I think we all agree that we want to protect our enviroment even if we desagree about global warming is produced by humans.</p>
<p>We must stop wasting our time in long debates in which nobody move from their position. We must respect other people's views even if wrong.</p>
<p>Instead, we should focus on technology efficiency, like Maxime proposes. And how that can help our freedom.</p>
<p>And the issue of rare materials is also important as they are part of the hardware we use.</p>
<p>But I think it's not wise politically to enter green parties' field because they would start seeing us as intruders. Instead, we can show we have new solutions for common problems.</p>
<p>José Manuel Goig<br>
@jmgoig<br>
<a href="http://usuadio.com">http://usuadio.com</a></p>
<div class="gmail_quote">El 24/07/2012 3:31, "Maxime Rouquet" <<a href="mailto:maxime.rouquet@partipirate.org">maxime.rouquet@partipirate.org</a>> va escriure:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
On 07/24/2012 12:49 AM, Richard Stallman wrote:<br>
> Agreed. Next question: what we can do from a pirate POV without being a<br>
> Green spin-off?<br>
><br>
> If other parties are concerned about an issue, does that make it<br>
> desirable for the Pirate Parties to be silent on that issue? It does<br>
> not follow.<br>
<br>
In France, the Green party is appreciated by some because it takes the<br>
right position on most subjects. But it is criticized for two reasons :<br>
being a bad pedagogue, and eventually oversimplifying most problems.<br>
<br>
We should first focus on identifying and explain the causes and<br>
consequences of human activity on Earth.<br>
<br>
If there is no or not enough independent data on the subject, we should<br>
defend that means are given to scientists without conflict of interest<br>
to make studies.<br>
<br>
If there is no or not enough international cooperation on the subject,<br>
we should defend that no restrictive copyright is put on scientific data<br>
(at least from public-funded research), and that no patent or anything<br>
of that kind is used to prevent or limit such research.<br>
<br>
If there is evidence that there is an ecological problem (hint : there<br>
is), we should make sure the impact on short and long term will be<br>
taught to the public (on Wikipedia, in schools, etc.), depending on how<br>
the humanity behaves. Everybody should know what we are going to deal<br>
with from a wide and complete perspective.<br>
<br>
This is the first part of being a good pedagogue : explaining causes of<br>
consequences of our current and potential behaviour on Earth.<br>
<br>
Then we have to identify rightly the problems we have to fix, and the<br>
way we propose to fix them.<br>
<br>
Global warming can be a problem, coming from a very large variety of<br>
causes, to which most of the time pirates could find very good solutions.<br>
<br>
I was once in a debate with Greens supporters who challenged me on the<br>
fact that technology can have dramatic impact on ecology, in particular<br>
global warming. They took the example of Google or Facebook servers that<br>
have a huge consummation of energy : pirate are "pro" technology, so<br>
they advocate such bad behaviour, right... ?<br>
<br>
... wrong ! We pirates like decentralization, so we do not support<br>
massive concentration of servers that generate global warming. More : we<br>
defend privacy, so we do not advocate blindly cloud computing and<br>
everything that makes citizens give their private data to big companies<br>
and put it under legislation of foreign more-or-less democratic states.<br>
<br>
I explained we would mostly promote things like the FreedomBox project<br>
where everybody would install a basic micro-server at his home where he<br>
could stock the data he might like to share on Internet, while keeping<br>
total control over it. Such box could be built without cutting up<br>
mountains to get silicon or make 12 year old children work 70 hours a<br>
week in factories, just by recycling existing electronic components.<br>
<br>
It would not need particular amount of energy, in fact most of our<br>
modems already waste more energy than would be needed, and at the level<br>
of a house the warming effect would be negligible (if not simply<br>
compensated by a decrease in the house heating system use).<br>
<br>
I then wanted to go deeper and present the PP-FR vision on "nuclear<br>
energy". This is a hot topic in France as a large majority of our<br>
electricity comes from nuclear energy. Most people advocate it because<br>
it makes us "independent" from other countries, but "putting an end to<br>
nuclear power" is almost Greens' slogan since 50 years. But they forget<br>
to teach people why, and they fail because of that.<br>
<br>
In last elections I wrote on my program that I promoted "energy<br>
independence", by using energy that does not depend on any foreign<br>
producer (and nuclear energy comes from Uranium which we mostly buy from<br>
Nigeria...). I spoke about renewable energy, and in particular of<br>
geothermal energy.<br>
<br>
Isn't the idea of producing energy from heat particularly interesting ?<br>
Well, there are many places where we could develop geothermal energy,<br>
but curiously no big energy company is promoting it. Why ? Because they<br>
all sell a consumable product (petrol, gas, coal, etc.), not simply the<br>
power plant. Buying a power plant to them is ensuring them we will also<br>
buy their energy for the next fifty years or so... Therefore, we think<br>
we should develop such energy sources, even if big energy company do not<br>
promote them.<br>
<br>
We also want to decentralise the energy production. Citizens and local<br>
communities should be encouraged to exploit geothermal or wind turbine<br>
energy at their scale, rather than depending on big power plants. (By<br>
the way, we could get rid of most of the big power lines too...)<br>
<br>
In this direction, you would quickly face (at least in France) monopoly<br>
problems. You can indeed produce electricity but... you have to sell it<br>
to Électricité de France before buying it back ! This is how EDF keeps<br>
its monopoly on electricity distribution. If you want to buy gaz, you<br>
legally cannot buy a cylnder from Germany or another country where it<br>
would be less expensive, it is forbidden by law. There are a lot of<br>
things made in the law to protect what have become giant monopolistic<br>
private companies that do not help that much ecology (apart from in<br>
their cute good looking advertisements of course...)<br>
<br>
Such a decentralized renewable energy production can be told in a few<br>
words that are plainly compatible with the pirate spirit.<br>
<br>
Decentralization, privacy, fight against monopolies, copyright<br>
softening, patent abolishment... these fundamentally pirate topics can<br>
lead to positions that are the same than the Green movement (or should<br>
be), but with a very different approach.<br>
<br>
I think taking a global approach of ecological problems is not a good<br>
way of doing. We must not fight global warming because "it is in our<br>
program" or "we are against it". Greens did not really succeed in<br>
fighting nuclear energy because of such a negative approach.<br>
<br>
Instead, we should promote better knowledge of the citizens of<br>
environment considerations, and promote good behaviour, all by<br>
explaining them with our core ideas. As long as ecology is a consequence<br>
of our ideas, nobody can discard us as a Greens spin-off.<br>
<br>
My 2 cents,<br>
<br>
Maxime<br>
<br>
PS : There are a lot of examples of good policy we could promote that<br>
would have positive environmental effects. Think about the deployment of<br>
optical fibre that we could promote in order to strengthen the access to<br>
information and the ease of communication : it is made of glass, coming<br>
from sand (low cost + no negative impact on environment) instead of<br>
copper (increasing cost + huge thermal dissipation)...<br>
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