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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">This is not completly accurate.<br>
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Malaysia, Thailand, Morocco, Argelia... all they are investing in
nuclear power plants, so, they have a nuclear program.<br>
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The US goes nuts when somebody builds centrifugation facilities
(AKA uranium enrichment plants).<br>
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Regards,<br>
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Kenneth<br>
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Al 27/07/12 14:53, En/na Mozart Olbrycht-Palmer ha escrit:<br>
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type="cite">It's being suggested that global warming is being used
to justify more nuclear energy, and therefore hidden nuclear
weapons facilities as a result. Hence why the US gets upset when a
non-Western country declares they are investing in a nuclear
energy program.
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<div>At any rate, this debate has been going on for way too long.
I stopped paying real attention a long time ago. Surely it is up
to each individual Pirate Party to determine their own
environmental policy if they want one?</div>
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<div>It'd be great to let the debate rest for a while…</div>
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<div>On 27/07/2012, at 10:36 PM, Gijs Overvliet wrote:</div>
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<blockquote type="cite">What does a need to conceal military
installations have to do with global conscientiousness on
climate change?<br>
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For the record, I am a huge proponent of renewable
energies. Even though my motivation has absolutely nothing
to do with the environment.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">2012/7/27 Anouk Neeteson <span
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no global conscientiousness >> no global
solutions >> politics & lobbying >>
more problems
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<div>It IS that simple, only your (as in everybody)
unwillingness to conceptualise it prevents all
progress >> politics >> disaster</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 27 July 2012
13:33, Gijs Overvliet <span dir="ltr"><<a
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wrote:<br>
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style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> "There is no
need to conceal military installations. "<br>
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What gives you the credit to make such a
definite claim? Forgive me for doubting
the fact that you are in a position to
make such strategic military decisions.<br>
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Il giorno 27/lug/2012 10:43,
"Antonio Garcia" <<a
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href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>
ha scritto:</p>
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> The "green" selling effort of
the nuclear-power-industry has
nothing to do with CO2 blame, what
they are after is that there is but
one way to conceal a military
nuclear facility... the radiation
noise of a civil nuclear facility.
Thus they need the civil application
to survive... if they want to be
able to conceal the military one.</div>
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<p>There is no need to conceal
military installations. </p>
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<p>> In some way, CO2 proficiency
is used only as an useful excuse
(in this context), just as
combating child porn is the useful
excuse in the war on control of
the internet.</p>
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<p>This seems paranoid. Isn't CO2 bad
anymore?</p>
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<p>> This would be of course in
the interest of the few TOP LEVEL
Competing ELITES.<br>
><br>
> Fighting pollution this way
does not only allow them to
provide civil nuclear facilities
behind which to hide their
military nuclear installations...
it also allows them to exert
pressure on the new emerging
economies that can only compete
with "dirty" energy because they
have no access to the latest clean
technology... and there we connect
with the Intellectual Propery
(both copyright and patent) term
extension and enforcement efforts
that try to extend our advantage
in time.</p>
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<p>Military technology is not just
intellectual property, with great
power comes great responsibility, do
we want north korea to bomb us? I
guess there would be no problem in
making those infos public, but the
main goal should be to develop
non-that-military tech, like
thorium. Or ITER, and so on...</p>
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> Antonio García<br>
> PP-ES<br>
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> From: <a
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href="mailto:Gregory.Engels@piratenpartei-hessen.de"
target="_blank">Gregory.Engels@piratenpartei-hessen.de</a><br>
> Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2012
10:21:43 +0200<br>
> To: <a
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href="mailto:rms@gnu.org"
target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>;
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href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
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> Subject: Re:
[pp.int.general] Global heating:
2 degrees of heating is 16 years
away<br>
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> On 23.07.2012, at 05:42,
Richard Stallman wrote:<br>
> <br>
> > The whole global
warming thing is at least dubious.<br>
> > <br>
> > Not according to real
climate scientists. That "doubt"
is FUD<br>
> > intended to convince
people to take no action.<br>
> <br>
> And in whose interested would
this be? In contrast there were<br>
> proven reports that
nuclear-power-industry have
invested a <br>
> lot in research proving that
CO2 is to blame on the coming end<br>
> of the world as we know it,
in order to build more nuclear
power<br>
> plants, selling them as
"green", as they emit zero CO2.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Gregory Engels<br>
> International Coordinator<br>
> Pirate Party of Germany<br>
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> mobile: <a
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