<div class="gmail_quote">2012/9/24 Andrew Norton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ktetch@ktetch.co.uk" target="_blank">ktetch@ktetch.co.uk</a>></span><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Mob rule (aka 'direct democracy') hasn't even been around or<br>
considered for more than 1-2 years (3 at most) less than half the age<br>
of the pirate movement. It's not been a 'core part of the pirate<br>
philosophy'. Might be the case in one or two parties, but others just<br>
started flirting with it.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>No, no :) To properly argue against something, nobody should call names like 'snout-counting' or 'mob rule' to the opposite ideas.<br><br>I see no reason to keep "direct/liquid democracy" as a emotional decision tool. It must be used with facts from a prior discussion. Voting without facts or prior discussion is "mob ruling", not "direct/liquid democracy". <span id="result_box" class="short_text" lang="en"><span class="hps">As</span> <span class="hps">understood by</span> <span class="hps">those who are</span> <span class="hps">in favor of DD/LD.<br>
<br>Probably we should name it "deliberative democracy" [0]. Or "liquid deliberative democracy". Facts + Discussion + LD = well-informed participants taking decisions on their own or delegating them. It sounds right to me.<br>
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Fact-based leadership should be the way forward, and while 'liquid<br>
democracy' may not be mutually exclusive with it, it's certainly<br>
diametrically opposite. In fact, every time I think about LD, a term<br>
from a Harry Turtledove novel pops into my head - 'snout-counting'.<br>
<br></blockquote></div><br>I don't know in other countries but here Spaniards are tired of messianic leaders with "facts". Anyway, I think there is a big misconception of LD because of its current implementation: discuss a bit and vote, vote, vote. And of course LD supporters are not against facts, we are against leaders and not harnessing collective intelligence.<br>
<br>[0] <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy</a><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div>Dario Castañé</div><div><a href="http://www.dario.im/" target="_blank">http://www.dario.im</a> | <a href="http://twitter.com/im_dario" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/im_dario</a></div>
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