<font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Quite right, Maja, and thank you. </font><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">"Serbian" case, what Blagojevic says, is completely consisted of defending "pirate ideology" which is foggy thing and, as Anouk mentioned in PP INT emailing yesterday, represents a good trigger for processes which are by all means Kafkaesque.</font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><b>Without any intention to be involved in yet another flame war,</b> the opinion of lawyers and people from PPs regarding what Blagojevic did to me (libeling on internet, making serious damage and threatening with blackmailing me like "offer resignation to PPI board NOW because you can't imagine what I will make of your life" is that if even 10% of what's being brought to CoA is true, <b>I should have called the police. </b></font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">CoA is poltical court with no jurisdiction in Serbia, therefore <b>unable to help when it comes to criminal behavior.</b> The same thing is happening with recently dismissed Core Team in PP RS. Only this time Blagojevic is alone, with no support except 2 trolls who never appeared on any PP RS regular meetings </font></div>
<div><br></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">What happens right now, as I see it, is that <b>"solving things the Pirate way" i</b>s happening again, with undemocratic attempts to exclude Pirates (this time there are 8 guys and girls in PP Serbia), and with technical taking over their emails and private data. </font></div>
<div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">By<b> belittling the people who do not agree with Blagojevic as "racist" or "radical right winged conservatives" "<span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:22.78333282470703px">bunch of clowns" or even "</span><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:22.78333282470703px"> </span></b><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255);color:rgb(34,34,34);line-height:22.78333282470703px"><b>pussies"</b> (because this is exactly what he does publicly </span></font><a href="http://blaeks.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/i-have-had-it-enough/">http://blaeks.wordpress.com/2012/09/20/i-have-had-it-enough/</a>" Pirate party of Serbia for 4, 5 years had </div>
<div>- no democratic elections for 4, 5 years</div><div>- no Liquid Feedback for Pirates </div><div>- no rules that everyone agree upon (Blagojevic keeps omitting every single rule saying that PP RS is not registered therefore there can not be any rules - which seems like totally anarchistic state of mind)</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>.<b>...I wonder how can anyone wave the Pirate flag and publicly claim that he wants to start a party here in Serbia, when at the same time he does literary EVERYTHING to dismiss every group (Core Team) whenever it becomes coherent in activities. </b></div>
<div><b><br></b></div><div>And to conclude so called "Serbian case":</div><div><b>This kind of behavior can and should be treated medically.</b> It is self-destructive,overall it seriously destroys people's lives. </div>
<div> </div><div><br></div><div>Let's keep the Italian case separated from Serbian. As PPI board member I am not involved in recent happenings and I am not representing PP RS neither standing for any side in this flame war, but for the truth on what is happening. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Hopefully previous discussion with Anouk Neetson will bring some light to "pirate ideology" and make us all less available for attacks under that tag. Emails and blogposts from Blagojevic represent seriously damaged person's opinions. I don't want to guess where it comes from, I am not educated in psychiatry. I am encouraging you to take part in clarifying what i acceptable and what is not. Should Pirates force other Pirates and tell them wha t to think? I wouldn't go for it. We really can only provide facts and rely on others to make decisions. Being uniformed is not the good start in any decision making process, and please consider all above as my personal contribution for clarifying Blagojeivc's role in PP RS.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Be good.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Jelena Jovanovic</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><font color="#333333" face="Arial, sans-serif"><span style="font-size:14px;line-height:18px"><br>
</span></font><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 3:14 PM, Maja Asanovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:asanovic09@gmail.com" target="_blank">asanovic09@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
As you already heard in Serbia we have a similar problem. Many people wanted to join PP but when they came and herd Aleksandar's offensive language. We worked with him for years and put up with all sorts of mental abuse. Unfortunately we can't do it any more.<div>
We proceeded with the work without him. On our first meeting new people came and old ones that left PP came back.</div><div>We are Pirates and just because we don't agree with the first Pirate in Serbia we can't stop being Pirates.<div>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:55 PM, Zbigniew Łukasiak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 2:38 PM, Richard Stallman <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:rms@gnu.org" target="_blank">rms@gnu.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div> Not really going into the question who is responsible and all that - that<br>
is important of course - but I think the most important question here is -<br>
do we insist that there should be only one pirate party per country? There<br>
are many ways for people to disagree and we should somehow be prepared for<br>
this.<br>
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</div>If the aim is to win elections, it is self-defeating<br>
to have pirates running against pirates. The custom is to<br>
have a primary election to choose the candidate.<br>
<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></blockquote></div><div>Possibly - but forking projects is pretty effective in software - why not in politics?</div><div><br></div><div>This fight for the 'pirate brand' and trying to exclude each other from being part of the greater pirate movement is quite poisonous.</div>
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--<br>
Dr Richard Stallman<br>
President, Free Software Foundation<br>
51 Franklin St<br>
Boston MA 02110<br>
USA<br>
<a href="http://www.fsf.org" target="_blank">www.fsf.org</a> <a href="http://www.gnu.org" target="_blank">www.gnu.org</a><br>
Skype: No way! That's nonfree (freedom-denying) software.<br>
Use Ekiga or an ordinary phone call<br>
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