For the sake of conversation can someone from PPI please start moderating this list... Especially for talks about PPES vs PPCAT that are taking over majority of threads. <div><br></div><div>/josef<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 10:34 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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1. Re: Obsession with Gibraltar (Kenneth Peiruza)<br>
2. Re: Italian Pirate Party - Scandal (Kenneth Peiruza)<br>
3. Re: Italian Pirate Party - Scandal (HerNenya)<br>
4. Re: Italian Pirate Party - Scandal (Zbigniew ?ukasiak)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:26:32 +0200<br>
From: Kenneth Peiruza <<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Obsession with Gibraltar<br>
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Poor Antonio, he's the one who didn't knew about the resignation of the<br>
whole CoA. So, nobody can attend his whining xDD<br>
<br>
BTW Antonio, you, over-lord-of-law-interpretation. Didn't you realized<br>
that you're a single person and CoA can't attend personal petitions but<br>
just PPI member's petitions? Hopefully, PPI is formed by Pirate Parties,<br>
not by individual fools.<br>
<br>
So, stop whining, every time you write about this CoA shit, you<br>
strengthen my point that you aren't as smart as you believe you're.<br>
You're just a mess of radical Spanish nationalism and totalitarian<br>
deliriums: you're against liquid/direct democracy calling it idiocracy,<br>
and there's PP-CAT or Gibraltar in 1 out of 2 emails sent by you.<br>
<br>
Everyone knows these things in your party, that's why they banned you<br>
from their mailing lists. AFAIK, you're still a member of PP-ES because<br>
PP-ES secretary left the party, and there's nobody left to process<br>
resignations...<br>
<br>
And as you're not going to believe me, I'd suggest you to check PPI<br>
statutes to see the attributions of CoA, as we did to present our points :)<br>
<br>
You know, your personal desires can't be over PPI statutes!<br>
<br>
<br>
Get a life!!!<br>
<br>
K.<br>
<br>
PS: I've you in my spam filter, so, I will not read your replies :)<br>
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Al 25/09/12 16:57, En/na Jordi Soucheiron ha escrit:<br>
> Don't feed the troll<br>
><br>
> 2012/9/25 Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>><br>
><br>
> As member of the remembered Court of Arbitration, maybe your<br>
> priority should be to tell our readers where my complaint about "a<br>
> breach of PPI Statutes" and "fraudulent rephrasing of an PPI<br>
> Statutes Article to fit unwarranted desires of some"... remain<br>
> lost in the CoA bureaucracy.<br>
><br>
> My use of Gibraltar as a figure is only for the sake of comparing<br>
> gravity of the issue, and smearing my anarchist background on its<br>
> use is unworthy of you and the post you occupied, a clear Ad Hominem.<br>
><br>
> Antonio.<br>
> PP-ES<br>
><br>
><br>
> > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 15:36:00 +0200<br>
> > From: <a href="mailto:arturo.martinez@pp-international.net">arturo.martinez@pp-international.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:arturo.martinez@pp-international.net">arturo.martinez@pp-international.net</a>><br>
> > To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
> > Subject: [pp.int.general] Obsession with Gibraltar<br>
><br>
> ><br>
> > Dear Antonio Garcia,<br>
> ><br>
> > Given that 98% of people in Gibraltar voted against joining Spain...<br>
> > Why would a pirate Spanish or otherwise find offence?<br>
> ><br>
> > Your repetitive circular arguments suggest that you believe that<br>
> > repeating a lie many times will make it true and that contrary<br>
> to your<br>
> > self-confessed anarchist outlook, you are a Spanish nationalist.<br>
> ><br>
> > I am yet to hear a bona fide anarchist of any nationality moan about<br>
> > Gibraltar<br>
> ><br>
> > Have a nice day<br>
> ><br>
> > On 09/25/2012 03:14 PM,<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> <mailto:<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> > > about the meaning of the word "Country" in the Statutes of PPI<br>
> to grant Spain an unasked for second Gibraltar in Catalonia, and<br>
> fraudulently rephrased one of the articles of the Statutes to<br>
> grant the General Assembly more discretionary decision power on<br>
> the admittance of new members than she really has (sidetracking<br>
> for the Catalonian Pirate Party provisions in the Statutes that<br>
> were strictly observed to reject the application of other Pirate<br>
> Parties), will be declared void.<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > ____________________________________________________<br>
> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>
> > <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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> > <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:28:47 +0200<br>
From: Kenneth Peiruza <<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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Al 25/09/12 17:10, En/na MRE ha escrit:<br>
> Dear Antonio,<br>
><br>
> What you said in your last email I already knew was your opinion, I<br>
> wasn't asking you to repeat that, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough.<br>
><br>
> I was asking your opinion on another question: Do you think that the<br>
> PPI should be able to decide who is and who is not a member of PP-IT?<br>
><br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> Muriel<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> 2012/9/25 Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>:<br>
>> That is an easy one, Muriel. I'm surprised you dare ask.<br>
>><br>
>> Because the PPI GA did not have the right, per its own Statutes, to grant<br>
>> Pirates de Catalunya full member status the way it was done after Kenneth<br>
>> blackmailed it threatening to derail the GA with all the international press<br>
>> present only months before two important elections in Germany.<br>
>><br>
<br>
Hahahahaha<br>
<br>
Poor fool.<br>
<br>
You missed Samir and Thomas trolling the GA in front of the press,<br>
right? maybe that happened whilst the GA was voting and there was no<br>
PP-ES delegate present in the room to vote...<br>
<br>
Oh man, have you considered suicide?<br>
<br>
<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:31:56 +0200<br>
From: HerNenya <<a href="mailto:isabel.fdez@mundo-r.com">isabel.fdez@mundo-r.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Italian Pirate Party - Scandal<br>
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On 25/09/12 16:43, Francisco George wrote:<br>
><br>
> Catalonia is reaching out for idenpendency so they will have all the<br>
> time to be restored as full member.<br>
That statement is not quite accurate.<br>
<br>
The catalonian people are discussing this issue, but they haven't get an<br>
statement yet and it is not so sure they are going to be an independent<br>
state.<br>
<br>
So please, use other arguments and try not to manipulate other people's<br>
views to reach your own purposes.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Isabel Fdez.<br>
PP-GAL<br>
><br>
><br>
> 2012/9/25 <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general-request@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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><br>
> Re: Italian Pirate Party - Scandal<br>
><br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2012 17:34:27 +0200<br>
From: Zbigniew ?ukasiak <<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>><br>
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On Tue, Sep 25, 2012 at 5:28 PM, Kenneth Peiruza <<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Al 25/09/12 17:10, En/na MRE ha escrit:<br>
> > Dear Antonio,<br>
> ><br>
> > What you said in your last email I already knew was your opinion, I<br>
> > wasn't asking you to repeat that, I'm sorry if I wasn't clear enough.<br>
> ><br>
> > I was asking your opinion on another question: Do you think that the<br>
> > PPI should be able to decide who is and who is not a member of PP-IT?<br>
> ><br>
> > Best regards,<br>
> ><br>
> > Muriel<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > 2012/9/25 Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>:<br>
> >> That is an easy one, Muriel. I'm surprised you dare ask.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Because the PPI GA did not have the right, per its own Statutes, to<br>
> grant<br>
> >> Pirates de Catalunya full member status the way it was done after<br>
> Kenneth<br>
> >> blackmailed it threatening to derail the GA with all the international<br>
> press<br>
> >> present only months before two important elections in Germany.<br>
> >><br>
><br>
> Hahahahaha<br>
><br>
> Poor fool.<br>
><br>
> You missed Samir and Thomas trolling the GA in front of the press,<br>
> right? maybe that happened whilst the GA was voting and there was no<br>
> PP-ES delegate present in the room to vote...<br>
><br>
> Oh man, have you considered suicide?<br>
><br>
><br>
No I feel ashamed for taking part in this conversation. Is that acceptable<br>
for this mailing list?<br>
<br>
--<br>
zby<br>
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