Hi Anouk,<br><br>Thanks for sharing :)<br><br>Comments inline<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 26 September 2012 21:06, Anouk Neeteson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jakobsheep@gmail.com" target="_blank">jakobsheep@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#993399">Another try, please mail me privately for questions directed straight at me. I hope that it will not create controversy, it is with the intention to unite the pirates globally. I added some new lines because of more feedback from elsewhere. I didn't include the universal human rights, they are too biased. </font><span style="color:rgb(153,51,153);font-size:x-small">(the sky is the limit, somehow, some-way, someday simultaneous </span><span style="color:rgb(153,51,153);font-size:x-small">singularity):</span><div>
<div><br><div><b>The right of protection of each individual human being</b> including : </div><div>- its privacy </div>
<div>- its physical body (including DNA)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>What does the right to protect DNA mean?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div>- its impartiality</div><div>- juridical</div><div>- against unfair competition and corporatocracy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy</a> </div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Even if this is a worthy goal, surely you protect society from 'corporatocracy' rather than the individual.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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</div><div>- the under-aged as a group with extra protection</div></div></blockquote><div><br>I can see why this is here, but this sounds like "won't somebody think of the children?!" <br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<br></div><div><b>With the right of:</b></div><div>- a reasonable transparent legislature and transparent public organisations <a href="http://www.transparency.org/" target="_blank">http://www.transparency.org/</a></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>a "reasonable" transparent legislature?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div>- self-determination of its fate and body (including the unborn).</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Self-determination of the unborn? How does that work, exactly?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div>- being impartially reviewed whether on sex, believe, race, etc.<br></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
<div><div>- freely using natural drugs or natural therapies, natural cures, or natural medicines (like homoeopathy and so on). <i>I don't name all drugs, because synthetic (and halve-synthetic) drugs are not natural and have to come under the medical licence scheme, Or to put it in another way, these chemicals need regulation, <font size="1">so no you can not have 100 gram of cocaine a day from your chemist :)</font></i></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>This one is just insane. "Natural" drugs/therapies/cures/medicines aren't inherently better than synthetic ones. The Pirate movement should not fall for an appeal to nature.<br>
<br>Also, homoeopathy? Really? It's just water. It's not medicine. Water does not have "memory" and diluting something does not increase its potency. There is literally no evidence for the efficacy of homoeopathic "remedies" beyond that of placebos. Speaking of which, where's the Pirate principle on evidence-based policy?<br>
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- freedom of expression of opinion with a minimum of respect towards anybody</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Well, is it freedom of expression, or legislating for respect in expression?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>- direct voting on the legislature or to have it delegated (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy</a>)<br></div></div></blockquote>
<div><br>Not a core Pirate principle...<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>- to be informed of and access to personal data and the right to correct or comment</div>
<div>- form / join freely a cooperation (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism</a>)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I would've thought that freedom of association would suffice. I doubt that corporatism is a Pirate principle.<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div>- growing up to become adult with a guarantee on protection, support, care and education.</div>
<div>- free access to medical, scientific and technological knowledge and education</div><div><div>- minimal healthcare </div><div>- minimal social assistance</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>"minimal"?<br>
</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div><div>- contentious relationships with others in their own chosen way (<i>ex.when people decide to live in a commune or same sex relations etc. as long as it is with everyone's free will</i>) </div>
</div><div>- <font size="1">making the marginal error (<i>because nobody is perfect</i>)</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>What does this one mean?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div><br></div><div><b>With the obligation </b>(<i>nobody likes to hear them</i>)<b>:</b></div>- of healthy water, and healthy grown nutrition </div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>- transparent information on ingredients of processed food and beverages and all other products. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>These two are too specific to be principles<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div>- to respect the law defined by the legislature (<i>I explain why this is important, as the pirate party we have a agreement to cooperate as a group, without agreement, like disrespecting the rules, there is no common pirate party, just like national law <font size="1">that one day will be replaced with an internal law once everybody is properly supported and educated</font>)</i></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>"Rule of law" would suffice, I think.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div>- to actively contribute to these principles (<i>without input nothing moves</i>)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I don't understand this one.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div>- to respect everybody as they expect to be respected by everybody (<i>no abuse, no violence, nettiquette</i>)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>I would disagree, I should have the right to disrespect anybody if I so wish (providing I don't violate his or her rights)<br>
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- to be held responsible for their own behaviour and acts (<i>you break something, you pay</i>)</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Again, rule of law<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div>- <font size="1">to become more loveable, peaceful and happy :)</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>What?<br> <br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div><br></div><div><b>With the demand of:</b></div><div><b>- </b> The
information society needs complete new rulings (preserve openness, change copyright laws on digital data, internet as public space/good, reforming patent law and ipr etc.) </div><div>- freedom (as in: restrictions need rationale justification, no restricting of behaviour which doesn't harm anyone) <br>
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accountability (<font color="#cc6600">additional legislature</font>?) <br>-
traceability (<font color="#cc6600">additional legislature</font>?) </div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>traceability? Not privacy?<br><br>Also, what do you mean by "additional legislature"?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div><div>- inclusive humanism (tolerance and rationality: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism</a>) </div>
<div>- a healthy and sustainable global environment</div><div>- abolishment of war, only in self-defence and to protect international humanitarian aid missions </div><div>- abolishment of arms-trade over national borders. (<i>making money on arms-trade is against humanity but we can not deny that we need a peoples army to protect souveranity. So hence we need to produce arms to counterbalance the world against the savage nature and heritage in present times. But to produce arms to protect ourself and then SELL them abroad is NOT COMMON SENSE. The way out is stopping proliferation is by stopping export</i>) </div>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br>So arms could not be sold to allies? NATO nations couldn't trade between themselves or the member states of the EU couldn't, for example, specialise in different areas of defence to provide each other with mutual support?<br>
<br>I'd say this is also too specific to be in a document of principles.<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div>- <font size="1">more free public parties</font></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>what?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<div><br><b>methods:</b> </div><div>- occams razor (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor</a>) </div><div>- K.I.S.S. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S</a>.) </div>
<div>- the pirate wheel: <a href="http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf" target="_blank">http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf</a> (<i>or any better alternative</i>)</div>
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- Liquid Feedback: <a href="http://liquidfeedback.org/" target="_blank">http://liquidfeedback.org/</a> (<i>or any better alternative</i>)</div>
<div><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>In principles?<br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#663366">the good news, there are more rights then obligations. lol</font> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="#663366">And I hope that a lot of mothers like it too, they are with voting very aware of the future for their children !</font></blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="#663366"><span><b><i>What did I forget or wrongly? Any controversy? Did I write too much? please give feedback.</i></b></span></font></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#663366">Anouk </font><span style="color:rgb(102,51,102);font-size:x-small"> </span><span style="color:rgb(102,51,102);font-size:x-small">REM </span><span style="font-size:x-small;color:rgb(102,51,102)">I hope my remarks are appreciated.</span></blockquote>
</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>On the whole, this looks less like a statement of Pirate principles and more like a personal manifesto, but there is definitely some overlap.<br><br>Regards,<br>Jack<br><br></div>
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