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I see.<br><br>I've read through all the crap.<br><br>You very methodically proceeded to strip out of Anouk's effort absolutely everything not in line with your strict liberal views. That is your strict right of opinion, of course, I would not fight that...<br><br>... however, your views, and how you go around about them... just got you 0,3% of the national vote in an important election ;) . In times when neighbouring pirates reach more or less 8%. You must be doing something utterly wrong, even if you do not want to admit it... for whatever sake. <br><br><br>You can go on blocking any way you can any innovation on the matter, and you will probably stay around 0,3% in future elections.<br><br><br>Being a Pirate is about hacking around the petrified beliefs and processes that have intertwined so badly along our past evolution that most of the people are unable to understand the world we live in, and trying to put it back on an healthy track towards (happy) coexistence for all...<br><br>... therefore, you must try to understand what happened in the past and for what reasons, what happens today, and have some kind of idea, at the right scale, of how you could bend all that in a way that might help you steer the evolution of society at large towards a view of what should be... much more compatible with your core values, BUT also as compatible as possible with what the global people at large might want to accept as a liveable society.<br><br>If you have nothing to trade... you get nothing in exchange.<br><br>So I'm afraid (yes right, so far it is only me, unless I get cheered ;) ) that you will not be able to outgrow your actual positions and prosper, make us all prosper.<br><br>What you do or do not like... really matters, it gets aggregated into the total product and conditions what is possible or not depending on how vocal you are about your input. Judging from what happened at the PPI GA 2012 in Prague... I would say being too vocal with wrong ideas can derail us all. If you tried to look beyond your own views, and succeeded... then these must be in some way off the clean liberal path ;) , because you did not stray one inch from that one (otherwise perfectly recognisable in the Dutch Pirate Parties track record). But I believe it is much easier to believe you just failed in your stated intention.<br><br>Antonio.<br>PP-ES<br><br><br><br><br><br><div><div id="SkyDrivePlaceholder"></div>> Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2012 11:30:35 +0200<br>> From: antior@piratenpartij.nl<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] The true core Pirates principles -Serious attempt to get a workable consensus - TLDR version<br>> <br>> TLDR; Pirate core values according to me.<br>> <br>> This is the last part of my previous mail. If you don't want to read <br>> through all the extra crap I've written there, at least read this message.<br>> <br>> ---<br>> <br>> It doesnt't matter what I do or do not like. The only thing that matters <br>> is what pirates in general agree on. It is very very difficult to speak <br>> for everyone, but it is not too hard to look beyond my own views. I <br>> tried to do that here.<br>> <br>> And I think it all boils down to the following very general goals:<br>> - General freedom of information<br>> - - Right to access of information<br>> - - Right to internet access<br>> - - Right of freedom of expression<br>> - - Right to re-use and remix information<br>> - - Obligation to give credit where credit's due<br>> <br>> From this follows:<br>> - - Reforms of 'intellectual property' laws. Copyright laws need to be <br>> changed for the right to access of information and the right to re-use <br>> and remix information. Patent laws need to be changed for the right to <br>> re-use information. Trademarks can be used for recognition purposes for <br>> the credit where credit's due obligation, but this obligation also needs <br>> to be part of any law that gives people the right to re-use or remix <br>> copyrighted and patented data.<br>> <br>> - Right of personal privacy<br>> - - Access to personal data<br>> - - Right to comment (or delete?) personal data<br>> <br>> - Transparancy of legislations (although... in a sense this could even <br>> fit with freedom of information)<br>> - - Accountability of legislators (Do we agree on this one?)<br>> - - Transparancy of the law-making process<br>> - - Transparancy of the governing process, including government finances.<br>> <br>> Freedom of information, right of personal privacy and transparancy of <br>> legislations are the core goals. The sub-points are more of an <br>> explanation or example of how these three issues could be 'covered' in law.<br>> <br>> I never saw the Pirate movement as an organisation that tries to fix ALL <br>> the world's problems. We try to fix a tiny part of it, that is important <br>> to US, and hopefully to many voters as well. Let the big parties think <br>> about solving all other issues. We will free information and protect <br>> privacy and keep to that. Please don't claim any personal points of view <br>> as Pirate issues. We have chosen to not go beyond a small set of <br>> *directly achievable* goals for a reason.<br>> <br>> I think local pirate parties are free to add as many other issues to <br>> their programme as they like, as long as they don't directly oppose the <br>> core goals. It may even be necessary in order to deal with local laws. <br>> But internationally, we need to keep to our original limited purpose, <br>> and not widen it in any way.<br>> <br>> - Antior<br>> <br>> <br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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