<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 26, 2012 at 7:08 PM, Marko Mitrovic <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:archamond@gmail.com" target="_blank">archamond@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Here's my two cents:</p>
<p>I agree with about 95% of everything writen. Although it may be a wee bit too big list for something considered as "core", even though list itself is very well-written and incerdibly well formated for an email :)</p>
<p>Some of my comments:<br>
-I think "minimal healthcare" should be expanded to something more than minimal, tho as these are only core principles I'd guess that's okay</p>
<p>-Regarding self-determination of fate of the body including unborn. Wouldn't this effectively outlaw abortion? Or this is Pandora's box I shouldn't have touched? :)</p></blockquote><div>No, we should touch it, because if we just ignored it then anti-abortion would become a "core pirate principle". Good on you for calling it out.<br>
<br>Great job "uniting pirates globally" by including your personal position on one of the most divisive issues ever in the "core pirate principles", Anouk. Keep up the good work.<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>-War in self-defence can be abused as we have seen many times in last hundred or so years. Little bit of propaganda and everything can become self-defence. Not that I have any plausable solution for given problem.</p>
<p>Hopefully my input was useful, I read all again in the morning to see is there anything else I can add.</p>
<p>Sorry for spelling mistakes if any, it's late and I'm on touchscreen. Nighty night fellow Pirates :)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sep 26, 2012 10:06 PM, "Anouk Neeteson" <<a href="mailto:jakobsheep@gmail.com" target="_blank">jakobsheep@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"></div>
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<font color="#993399">Another try, please mail me privately for questions directed straight at me. I hope that it will not create controversy, it is with the intention to unite the pirates globally. I added some new lines because of more feedback from elsewhere. I didn't include the universal human rights, they are too biased. </font><span style="color:rgb(153,51,153);font-size:x-small">(the sky is the limit, somehow, some-way, someday simultaneous </span><span style="color:rgb(153,51,153);font-size:x-small">singularity):</span><div>
<div><br><div><b>The right of protection of each individual human being</b> including : </div><div>- its privacy </div>
<div>- its physical body (including DNA)</div><div>- its impartiality</div><div>- juridical</div><div>- against unfair competition and corporatocracy <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy</a> </div>
</div><div>- the under-aged as a group with extra protection</div><div><div>
<br></div><div><b>With the right of:</b></div><div>- a reasonable transparent legislature and transparent public organisations <a href="http://www.transparency.org/" target="_blank">http://www.transparency.org/</a></div>
<div>- self-determination of its fate and body (including the unborn).</div><div>- being impartially reviewed whether on sex, believe, race, etc.</div><div>- freely using natural drugs or natural therapies, natural cures, or natural medicines (like homoeopathy and so on). <i>I don't name all drugs, because synthetic (and halve-synthetic) drugs are not natural and have to come under the medical licence scheme, Or to put it in another way, these chemicals need regulation, <font size="1">so no you can not have 100 gram of cocaine a day from your chemist :)</font></i></div>
- freedom of expression of opinion with a minimum of respect towards anybody</div>
<div>- direct voting on the legislature or to have it delegated (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliberative_democracy</a>)<br><div>- to be informed of and access to personal data and the right to correct or comment</div>
<div>- form / join freely a cooperation (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism</a>)</div><div>- growing up to become adult with a guarantee on protection, support, care and education.</div>
<div>- free access to medical, scientific and technological knowledge and education</div><div><div>- minimal healthcare </div><div>- minimal social assistance</div></div><div><div>- contentious relationships with others in their own chosen way (<i>ex.when people decide to live in a commune or same sex relations etc. as long as it is with everyone's free will</i>) </div>
</div><div>- <font size="1">making the marginal error (<i>because nobody is perfect</i>)</font></div><div><br></div><div><b>With the obligation </b>(<i>nobody likes to hear them</i>)<b>:</b></div>- of healthy water, and healthy grown nutrition </div>
<div>- transparent information on ingredients of processed food and beverages and all other products. </div><div><div>- to respect the law defined by the legislature (<i>I explain why this is important, as the pirate party we have a agreement to cooperate as a group, without agreement, like disrespecting the rules, there is no common pirate party, just like national law <font size="1">that one day will be replaced with an internal law once everybody is properly supported and educated</font>)</i></div>
<div>- to actively contribute to these principles (<i>without input nothing moves</i>)</div><div>- to respect everybody as they expect to be respected by everybody (<i>no abuse, no violence, nettiquette</i>)</div><div>
- to be held responsible for their own behaviour and acts (<i>you break something, you pay</i>)</div>
<div>- <font size="1">to become more loveable, peaceful and happy :)</font></div><div><br></div><div><b>With the demand of:</b></div><div><b>- </b> The
information society needs complete new rulings (preserve openness, change copyright laws on digital data, internet as public space/good, reforming patent law and ipr etc.) </div><div>- freedom (as in: restrictions need rationale justification, no restricting of behaviour which doesn't harm anyone) <br>
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accountability (<font color="#cc6600">additional legislature</font>?) <br>-
traceability (<font color="#cc6600">additional legislature</font>?) </div><div>- inclusive humanism (tolerance and rationality: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanism</a>) </div>
<div>- a healthy and sustainable global environment</div><div>- abolishment of war, only in self-defence and to protect international humanitarian aid missions </div><div>- abolishment of arms-trade over national borders. (<i>making money on arms-trade is against humanity but we can not deny that we need a peoples army to protect souveranity. So hence we need to produce arms to counterbalance the world against the savage nature and heritage in present times. But to produce arms to protect ourself and then SELL them abroad is NOT COMMON SENSE. The way out is stopping proliferation is by stopping export</i>) </div>
<div>- <font size="1">more free public parties</font></div>
<div><br><b>methods:</b> </div><div>- occams razor (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor</a>) </div><div>- K.I.S.S. (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.I.S.S</a>.) </div>
<div>- the pirate wheel: <a href="http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf" target="_blank">http://falkvinge.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/manual/PirateWheel-2011-11-13.pdf</a> (<i>or any better alternative</i>)</div>
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- Liquid Feedback: <a href="http://liquidfeedback.org/" target="_blank">http://liquidfeedback.org/</a> (<i>or any better alternative</i>)</div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#663366">the good news, there are more rights then obligations. lol</font> </blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="#663366">And I hope that a lot of mothers like it too, they are with voting very aware of the future for their children !</font></blockquote>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> <font color="#663366"><span><b><i>What did I forget or wrongly? Any controversy? Did I write too much? please give feedback.</i></b></span></font></blockquote>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><font color="#663366">Anouk </font><span style="color:rgb(102,51,102);font-size:x-small"> </span><span style="color:rgb(102,51,102);font-size:x-small">REM </span><span style="font-size:x-small;color:rgb(102,51,102)">I hope my remarks are appreciated.</span></blockquote>
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