<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:garamond, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div><span>Zbrigniew,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span>Please don't advise me to set a filter if I am not interested. It should be obvious, I am very interested in et al. I will read et al waiting for issues of outside the party to resume.</span></div><div></div><div> </div><div><span style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18px;">I remain sincerely yours,</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;
font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent;"><span style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18px; font-style: italic;">John Dickinson</span></div><div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 18px; font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18px;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-family: garamond, 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 18px;">=access Since 1991 <br>"Be the change that you want <br>to see in the world." <br>M. K. Gandhi </span><br></div><div><br></div> <div style="font-family: garamond, 'new york',
times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font size="2" face="Arial"> <hr size="1"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Zbigniew Łukasiak <zzbbyy@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> john dickinson <jrdickinson@yahoo.com>; Pirate Parties International -- General Talk <pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Saturday, December 22, 2012 11:25 AM<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [pp.int.general] PP IT and Its Non-Democratic Organization<br> </font> </div> <br>
On Sat, Dec 22, 2012 at 7:41 PM, john dickinson <<a ymailto="mailto:jrdickinson@yahoo.com" href="mailto:jrdickinson@yahoo.com">jrdickinson@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>> Dear et al,<br>><br>> Sure, I will reply to this message. This domination of the email list with<br>> name calling and accusations does nothing to advance the cause of Pirates,<br>> unless the purpose of this list is to establish the reputation of Pirates as<br>> bickerers.<br>> I am new to the party, but I have been a pirate since the '60's, an honest<br>> pirate in the true definition of the word.<br>> I joined WAPP, and after two meets decided to form another party. Without<br>> saying anything disparaging except that I could not say the acronym out<br>> loud, I wanted to use my resources to get members to the causes that I<br>> thought were important and urgent. Following this list (I read everything) I<br>> feel that the important causes have
been placed on a shelf to be replaced by<br>> bickering.<br>> I formed the Seattle International Pirate Party, and I am embarking to<br>> encourage towns, communities and neighborhoods to form their own Parties. I<br>> fly the flag on a half mast, verses the flag flying at half mast, to<br>> indicate that the cause is above the mast of my thoughts and opinions. I<br>> don't want to move the flag down so that it flies at half mast and then move<br>> it out of my life because I might feel embarrassed by the petty/public<br>> attacks against others. I have a goal to gain 2o,ooo members in the next six<br>> months.<br>><br>> ? Is there a way to keep the bickering out of the public view? probably not.<br>> I guess I am just ranting, but perhaps everyone should read Getting To Yes<br>> before self destruction.<br><br>I actually believe that this bickering as you describe it has a<br>purpose. The meaning of the word
democratic and above all Pirate<br>Party is far from being obvious and we need to discuss it before we<br>form something that could be called our consensus. If we don't reach<br>a consensus in these matters then sooner or later it will bring<br>troubles - because you cannot have an organisation without identity<br>without defining what is acceptable and what is not.<br><br>It is true that this discussion could be done in a better looking way<br>- but it is better when it happens then when it did not, even if that<br>means this public bickering. I hope people can set filters to their<br>mailboxes to filter it out if they are not interested.<br><br><br>--<br>Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br><br><br> </div> </div> </div></body></html>