On Thu, Jan 17, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Andrew Norton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com" target="_blank">ktetch@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Point me to the decision made by the GA on running a LQFB? I don't<br>
recall one.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I promised that if I was elected I would do it to give voice to the members, they elected me, 2+2...</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div class="im">did you check it was SPECIFICALLY for that reason, or are you inferring</div>
a mandate?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>SPECIFICALLY! Satisfied?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> Should I go look through the video and see what your campaign<br>
was (I sure don't remember your promise)? </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure! Please go <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z1k8fMoyXAM">see it</a>! At around 4h55m00 member delegates even asked me SPECIFICALLY about the LQFB stuff and I confirmed it for everyone who was interested in listening.</div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">If it contains anything more<br>
than a promise to enact a non-binding LQFB can you call it a<br>
vote/decision on that?</blockquote><div><br></div><div>Sure! I said that given my experience since 2009 I would try to do my best to help and that is what I've been doing since.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
If that was your intent, now it's been enacted,<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually it's been enacted since mid May last year.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
will you step down your position?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No, I'm still doing the other promise, help in whatever I can as best I can. Why? Interested in it?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Other things MORE binding, that the board (including you) have not done<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>MORE? Because...?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
- - Holding the next PPI GA outside Europe (to the point of definitive<br>
statements by the board on this, rather than a throwaway line)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Since you are so strict on decisions, would you be so kind to <i>"Point me to the decision made by the GA on" "Holding the next PPI GA outside Europe"</i>.</div>
<div>Still, in case you don't know it yet, from the offers PPI got to host the GA the resulting choice was Kazan which was the one further away for central Europe, outside of the European Union, and on a longitude that is even beyond those of many countries in the middle east.</div>
<div>The board members that voted Kazan did so in order to comply with the constant pleas for that on the mailing lists from some users like you, even though <a href="http://www.opavote.org/vote/771134">the poll I did for my vote</a>, with the official members, ended up with a <a href="http://www.opavote.org/results/771134/0">totally different result</a>, although only 9 members expressed their opinion.</div>
<div><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Still I'm not worried that some members didn't </span><span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">vote</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, for whatever reason, because it was just an opinion poll for my </span><span class="il" style="background-color:rgb(255,255,204);color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px">vote</span><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> alone. </span><br style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">I can also say that I'm comfortable with the final choice I represented through the poll, since using </span><a href="http://www.surveysystem.com/sscalc.htm" target="_blank" style="color:rgb(17,85,204);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">scientific method</a><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> with a </span><i style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Sample Size</i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of 9 in a </span><i style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Population</i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of 28 for a </span><i style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Percentage</i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of 88.(8)% [8/9] preferring Paris over Kazan, I get, with a </span><i style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Confidence Level</i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> of 99%, a resulting </span><i style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Confidence Interval</i><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"> for the poll of 22.67%, which makes the lower interval limit stand at 66.21(8)%, roughly 2/3's. So how about that for keeping my binding promise to involve the members in my decision taking and at the same time fulfilling my binding functions as a board member?</span></div>
<div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">- - Having a CoA (it's been 4 months since they all resigned, and you,<br>
individually, or as a group have yet to do anything about it)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Actually it <a href="http://lists.pp-international.net/private/pp-leaders.discussion/2012-October/000552.html">has been 3 months and 15 days</a>, and there is a CoA, it simply has no active members because they where forced into resignation by threats of being sued by a PPI member who wasn't satisfied with their decision, which IMHO is a blatant violation of statutes by that member:</div>
<div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div>III. Membership</div><div>(5) <b>The Members are obliged to respect the Statutes</b>, internal regulations and rules of procedure, <b>in particular bear the implications of the decision of the Court of Arbitration</b>.</div>
<div><br></div><div>XIVa. Court of Arbitration</div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div>"(1) <b>The exclusive power to resolve internal disputes</b> shall be vested to the Court of Arbitration. <b>All other organs and officers are required to cooperate </b>with the Court of Arbitration to the extend needed for the proper exercise of its functions."</div>
</div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Anyway, the body itself does not cease to exist because working members are unavailable at the moment due to extraordinary circumstances.</div><div>Also, referring back to the statutes:</div>
<div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i>XIVa. Court of Arbitration</i></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i>(7) The Court of Arbitration shall have between three and seven Members. <b>The provisions concerning the election of the Members of the Board and vacancies apply accordingly.</b></i></div>
</div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>And those are:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i>XIII. Functions of the Board</i></div>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i>(8) <b>A </b>Board<b> member may resign at any moment.</b> <b>After resignation</b> ...<b> his seat becomes vacant. </b>...</i></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i>(9) <b>If the </b>Board<b> has less than three remaining Members, an extraordinary session of the General Assembly has to be held within the next six months, if an ordinary session is not scheduled within this period.</b></i></div>
</div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>So if we <i><b>"apply accordingly"</b></i> it reads:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote">
<div><div class="gmail_quote"><i><b>A CoA member may resign at any moment. After resignation ... his seat becomes vacant....</b></i></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><i><b>If the CoA has less than three remaining Members, an extraordinary session of the General Assembly has to be held within the next six months, if an ordinary session is not scheduled within this period.</b></i></div>
</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Since they all resigned in October 2nd, the PPI still has until April 2nd to solve that, so chill down and RTFS.</div><div><div><br></div><div>[ Oh and BTW, as a side note to whom it may concern, the board doesn't need to acknowledge resignations from anyone, as it can't force anyone into staying in any position, if someone wants to resign from whatever position on whatever body it's their decision and it goes in effect as soon as they communicate it officially themselves, so please stop asking for the board to acknowledge resignations when the board already explained that in a meeting. Also the board can't force anyone to resign and can't <span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2013-January/013341.html" style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">offer anyone's resignation</a><font color="#222222" face="arial, sans-serif"> to anyone else, so please stop that and similar accusations. It's total BS and tells more about those who say it than on those who they try to slander ]</font></span></div>
</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So how's about working on what you SHOULD do, rather than what you WANT<br>
to do.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>So how about being CONSTRUCTIVE instead of DESTRUCTIVE, or are you saying that I should be like almost all other politicians and simply not carry out what I promised to do?</div>
<div>Anyway, looking at the statutes again:</div><div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>IX. General Assembly</div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote">
<div><div>(2) <b>Extraordinary sessions can be held at the request of one third of the Members</b> or by a decision of the Board.</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>So if you really <b>WANT</b> a CoA asap, you <b>SHOULD</b> rally the support of one third of the Members to issue an official request, then we can have it online on the date they request with the many tools at our disposal and rest assured that the board will be there:</div>
<div><br></div></div><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><i>XIII. Functions of the Board</i></div></div></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><i>e) <b>to prepare the agenda and procedure of the meetings of the General Assembly, giving consideration to suggestions from Member Organizations, and appoint the Chairperson and Vice-Chairperson of the General Assembly meeting,</b></i></div>
</div></div></blockquote><div class="gmail_quote"><div><br></div><div>Personally I think you should instead worry about the fact that probably very few candidates will even appear because of the actions taken against the previous members of the CoA.</div>
<div>So, please stop blaming every damn thing on the board and start looking at yourself and the PPI as a whole, or you'll risk not having candidates for the board as well as it looks more and more like a scapegoat body to take blame for all sorts of BS.</div>
</div><div class="gmail_quote"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">In search of truth (and accountability)<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>
Good to know (and really?)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Andrew<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Nuno</div></div>