<p>+1, bringing in the human perspective.</p>
<p>Boy, do I hate politics :p<br>
mrNatural</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jan 18, 2013 1:14 p.m., "Jelena Jovanovic" <<a href="mailto:jelena.the.one@gmail.com">jelena.the.one@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Dear Andrew <div>ever heard of "walk your talk" principle? I personally like your passion and I very appreciate people who are burning to change the world and I see it in you, if you would just tune it a bit for tje sake of all of us involved.. </div>
<div><br></div><div>It's just...let us not keep in constantly defensive / explanatory mode if there is<i> no real need for it. </i></div><div>PP GA - please drop itt.<i> No one from US and AU applied. </i>And I am sorry for that. Kazan is the only non EU place that GA can be held and I wonder how many of us will be there. I hope soon enough GA will be held in Atlanta. </div>
<div><br></div><div>I am not saying "the group is bitter". There's nothing more inspiring and rewarding for me then to work and have fun with activists with Pirates.I</div><div>And personally hate to see people giving up Pirates!</div>
<div>I wonder if there are some journos in this /public) list and if they read it what would they think.,,,<i>PPI is not joke.</i> Nor ir supposed to be. It's small team with only 1 year of mandate that works with all their capacity on common goals and issues. So let's be a little bit more positive towards communication on list where there are, so far, 49 pirate parties across the world. </div>
<div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Love ya all</div><div><br></div><div>JJ</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 8:17 AM, Zbigniew Łukasiak <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:zzbbyy@gmail.com" target="_blank">zzbbyy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Andrew - could you please start new threads to discuss all the things?<br>
When you dump all your grieving in one lump the discussion becomes<br>
polarized us versus them. Split it into concrete problems - and lets<br>
have discussion about the problems - not about people.<br>
<div><div><br>
On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 2:57 AM, Andrew Norton <<a href="mailto:ktetch@gmail.com" target="_blank">ktetch@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On 1/17/2013 7:47 PM, Jelena Jovanovic wrote:<br>
>> With all due respect to your concerns regarding PPI board, allow me to<br>
>> say that this emailing make no sense, or makes only occasionally. Which<br>
>> I really regret because I firmly believe nobody deserves it in any PP<br>
>> nor PPI.<br>
><br>
> I will admit his email didn't make any sense.<br>
> It's far more realisitc that a non-binding LQFB would be used as a<br>
> bellwether.<br>
> Plus, you can like the bits you like, and say 'democracy', ignore the<br>
> bits you dont ('non-binding!') and continually point to it as<br>
> 'transparency, participation and integration'.<br>
><br>
> Also known as standard political distraction. "Ooh look, we have a<br>
> discussion forum/petition site! We clearly care!"<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> I would like to outline one thing only: people who were standing for<br>
>> PPI board on GA 2012 and were not elected, together with people who are<br>
>> not ready to go to any GA which would be held outside their continent<br>
>> are bashing out PPI board on this list.<br>
><br>
> so your argument was "This group is bitter, so their arguments don't<br>
> count, and this lot I don't know why they're complaining it's not like<br>
> they're complaining because the choice that benefits them didn't win.<br>
> How strange that take issue on principle, and not on personal gain"<br>
><br>
> As I said when you asked me about it a few days ago, I refuse to fly, AT<br>
> ALL. Until the TSA is gone. That is not just 'on this continent', it's<br>
> basically "anywhere that's not within 500km of Atlanta" that I wouldn't<br>
> go to. It's called PRINCIPLES. If I submit to a government search<br>
> without probable cause, for a reason that is more about control and fear<br>
> than any evidential reason; to go to a conference where one of the<br>
> underpinnings is about how bad that is, AND THERE IS ANOTHER WAY, then<br>
> submitting to the search seems unwarranted.<br>
><br>
> Nor, as I said at the time, am I alone, or just speaking for myself.<br>
> To characterize us thusly is disingenuous. Why do I think this will only<br>
> sink in when parties start quitting PPI? Is that when the Jobs-ian<br>
> reality distortion field will show some cracks? We can only see, as I<br>
> predict the first party quitting will be in the next few months, unless<br>
> something changes.<br>
> Didn't I hear somewhere that Tunisia declined to join PPI, joining the<br>
> african pirate party instead?<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> I would like to appeal to your rational behavior and to see some<br>
>> productive discussion*with proposals of what should be don*e instead of<br>
>> what's being done, or besides what's wrong with previous things board<br>
>> members were working on.<br>
>><br>
>> This way I see only negativity and discussion for the purpose of itself.<br>
><br>
> Maybe you're in the wrong party then? Part of politics is discussion for<br>
> the sake of discussion, in order to examine new ways to do things. When<br>
> you're afraid of discussion, you're insecure of your position.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> We're trying to keep the PPI board without COA in care<br>
>> & maintenance mode until next GA where new COA will be elected. Please<br>
>> include your proposals so the discussion can start to make some sense,<br>
>> and pls stay away from /ad hominem/ attacks.<br>
><br>
> So, by your decision, a body that was formed to create some oversight of<br>
> the board, and deal with issues, you've decided to keep empty.<br>
><br>
> Is that an official statement of the board? Actually, in the name of<br>
> transparency, why don't the Board present an official statement on the<br>
> CoA, including what happened, it's present state, and your intentions? I<br>
> mean it's only been 4 months, it's not like it's something required by<br>
> the statutes, or providing accountability, or anything IMPORTANT like that.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Andrew<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Best<br>
>> Jelena<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:20 AM, StreetDogg <<a href="mailto:streetdogg@gmx.net" target="_blank">streetdogg@gmx.net</a><br>
>> <mailto:<a href="mailto:streetdogg@gmx.net" target="_blank">streetdogg@gmx.net</a>>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Am 17.01.2013 14:50, schrieb Nuno Cardoso:<br>
>><br>
>> And if an issue to kill the association of LQFB with a PPI<br>
>> domain URL is<br>
>> what it takes to make LQFB haters use it, so be it, the irony<br>
>> will be as<br>
>> poetic and epic as ye olde tales of pirate adventures! Arrr!!! ;D<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> Yeah, right. Implement your own decision making process and demand<br>
>> this process to be used to get rid of it again. Makes perfect sense.<br>
>> Not.<br>
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