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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Ignorance and stupidity are Daredevils...<br><br>... and intelligence most of the time does not find it rewarding to waltz with Mr. Lynch.<br><br><br>If you knew how, you would realise where that leads the Pirate Movement.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br>> Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2013 16:37:23 +0100<br>> From: kenneth@pirata.cat<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party<br>> <br>> Brains are always missing around you... curious, right?<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> On Thu, 28 Feb 2013 22:43:18 +0000, Antonio Garcia<br>> <ningunotro@hotmail.com><br>> wrote:<br>> > Brains. Beppe Grillo has got brains ;) .<br>> > <br>> > I was going to say something about a certain master strategy... but I<br>> > could not find the right spelling on their website (a pleasant surprise<br>> I<br>> > was not expecting anymore). Still, a certain Rick Falkvinge must be<br>> > dreaming about Beppe Grillo's present strategical situation.<br>> > <br>> > Some pirates, like Italian and Dutch ones... apparently lack brains.<br>> > Before you all have a go at my throat... I find them also sorely missing<br>> > among my brethren in the Iberian Peninsula.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Antonio.<br>> > <br>> > From: i@dario.im<br>> > Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2013 23:15:30 +0100<br>> > To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Transparency in the party<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > 2013/2/27 <thijs.markus@piratenpartij.nl><br>> > <br>> > <br>> > So do I, oh so do I.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > Antonio Garcia schreef op 27.02.2013 15:11:<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I could not agree more.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > But then, I am eagerly awaiting a Beppe Grillo in the Netherlands<br>> > <br>> > also.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I feel curious. What is the real difference between M5S and PP, the one<br>> > that makes you desire to have your own Beppe Grillo?<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I don't disagree with making a politician public and accountable in<br>> front<br>> > of society because he is part of the public system but I don't think M5S<br>> is<br>> > 100% pirate, it just looks alike. Using LQFB or fighting corruption<br>> doesn't<br>> > make it pirate. From what I read [0], M5S has a strong (but incomplete)<br>> > position in economics, mainly interventionist (far away from usual<br>> > socialdemocracy) and many other things which are "so so" in freedom<br>> terms.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > I see too some points that are part of Pirate core ideology but I keep<br>> > thinking that it doesn't make it a pirate-compatible movement.<br>> > I don't mean that we must be "pure and clean". Their programme isn't<br>> > particularly better than any of PP-CAT programmes. The main difference<br>> must<br>> > be the number of persons participating on its redaction, that's why it<br>> is a<br>> > bit broader (although having only 13 pages, which is fine) but also<br>> > scatterer.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > What I really mean is that they could make it better, more of a<br>> framework<br>> > than a random list of specific actions/promises that just sound<br>> right/good<br>> > to a lot of people. I must point too that every country is pretty<br>> different<br>> > in their political dynamics so I think it is less probable to see these<br>> > results on other countries.<br>> > <br>> > <br>> > [0]<br>> ><br>> https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/materiali-bg/Programma-Movimento-5-Stelle.pdf<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br> </div></body>
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