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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Please, care to justify to all those, mainly germans, who put all faith in you as a way to solve the Spanish conflict, and rolled out the red carpet in PPI and PP-EU...<br><br>... why you failed them so miserably in the last regional elections, not being able to perform minimally, even with >1.000 members, even in the highly concentrated and urban area of Barcelona.<br><br>A Barcelona that projects herself as cosmopolitan and geek-minded as Berlin, where the German Pirate Party started to perform extremely well recently, even if they have lost north these last months.<br><br>You do care, or do you have only vaporware on offer?<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><hr>From: david.arcos@gmail.com<br>Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2013 23:32:30 +0100<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Formal protest from Pirate Party Australia<br><br><div dir=ltr><div class=ecxgmail_extra><div class=ecxgmail_quote>On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 7:10 PM, José Manuel Goig <span dir=ltr><<a href="mailto:hosemanuelgoc@gmail.com" target=_blank>hosemanuelgoc@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=ecxgmail_quote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">There is a great difference between PP-CAT and PP-ES. PP-CAT can only act in the territory of Catalonia but PP-ES can act in all of the territory of Spain, including Catalonia. So, in Catalonia both parties could stand for election at the same time competing for the same electorate. This is so because Catalonia is right now a part of Spain. Whenever Catalonia chooses to be a "sovereign state", all this will change and there will be no problem.</blockquote>
</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div>I'm sorry, but that's B.S. You either have no clue about the Spanish electoral law, or are trying to intoxicate.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
I feel forced to quote some sources (<a href="http://xkcd.com/386/" target=_blank>duty calls!</a>)<br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>- Fact 1: in Spain, all the elections have a <b>regional circunscription</b> ("provincia"), except for the European elections, where the circunscription is all Spain.</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>Source:</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><a href="http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Circunscripciones#Espa.C3.B1a" target=_blank>http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anexo:Circunscripciones#Espa.C3.B1a</a><br>
</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><blockquote class=ecxgmail_quote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">
> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">España posee <b>52 circunscripciones</b> para la elección de diputados de su cámara baja: 50 provinciales y 2 pertenecientes a las ciudades de Ceuta y a Melilla.<br>
</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">> </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;">En las </span>elecciones al <b>Parlamento Europeo</b><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:sans-serif;font-size:13px;line-height:19px;"> España tiene <b>una única circunscripción nacional</b>.</span></blockquote>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>- Fact 2: in Spain, the only requirement are (a) providing <b>full lists</b> and (b) <b>gathering signatures</b> ("avales"). Any party (even regional parties) can run in all the country (or other regions), provided they have the signatures.</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>Source:</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><a href="http://www.portalelectoral.es/content/view/1008/122/" target=_blank>http://www.portalelectoral.es/content/view/1008/122/</a><br>
</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><blockquote class=ecxgmail_quote style="border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;">
> (...) <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;text-align:justify;">para poder presentar una <b>candidatura a las elecciones</b> al Congreso de los Diputados y al Senado, necesitan la firma, al menos, del<b> 0,1 por ciento de los electores</b> inscritos en el censo electoral de la circunscripción por la que pretendan su elección.<br>
</span>> <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;">En el caso de las elecciones al <b>Parlamento Europeo</b>, el artículo 220.3 de </span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;">la LOREG</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:13px;text-align:justify;font-family:Arial;"> exige para la presentación de candidaturas, como requisito común para partidos, federaciones, coaliciones electorales y agrupaciones de electores, la acreditación de las<b> firmas de 15.000 electores</b>.</span></blockquote>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>So, legally speaking, PP-CAT:</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>- could run for the elections outside Catalan circunscriptions</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra>- could even run for the full Spain circunscription in the European Elections.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>In practice, PP-CAT:</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>- could provide lists easily, as it has run in all the elections (4) since its creation (2 years ago).</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra>- getting 15k signatures could be a challenge, but in the past elections we got >11k in half the time in just Catalonia (20% of Spain), so it's a reasonable assumption..</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
<br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>Legally speaking, PP-ES could also run for all the elections.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>But in practice, it has never been able to do so: didn't have enough people to make the lists, didn't have enough signatures. (The only exceptions have been some brave local groups that could provide lists and signatures, without any kind of help from PP-ES board)</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra>With >1k members, PP-ES could barely gather 1k signatures for the last European elections. Right now, with <100 members, do you really believe it would be able to gather 15k?</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
<br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>Unfortunately, PP-ES is dead. it was killed by a few trolls who got a bit of power power, then managed to kick a lot of members, then climbed into higher positions, then caused a bigger exodus of members...</div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra>The internal problems in PP-ES have nothing to do with nationalisms, but with a pyramidal hierarchy, and the wrong people in the wrong positions.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
<br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>Finally, there it's never been a nationalism issue. Check the Spanish map, and the pirate parties on it: <a href="http://confederacionpirata.org/" target=_blank>http://confederacionpirata.org</a></div>
<div class=ecxgmail_extra>All the Spanish pirate parties in the 'Confederación Pirata' are working together on campaings, and are ok with sharing a single vote in PPI.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
All the nationalist/<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Catalanism" target=_blank>anti-catalanist</a> conspiranoia is a ridiculous attempt to divert attemption from the important issue.</div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>
<br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra><br></div><div class=ecxgmail_extra>My 2 cents...</div></div>
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