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Having been asked to speak up, I shall.<br>
<br>
I have given thought to sending this email privately (as I advise
below) rather than to the list, but at this point I think this does
deserve being put publicly. As a community it is better we moderate
ourselves than be moderated by individuals, and hopefully I speak
for many in this community when I ask the following.<br>
<br>
Antonio: Please refrain from hostile behaviour towards others - you
do not need to agree with someone to behave in a civil way. Likewise
you do not need to behave in an uncivil way to those you do not
agree with.<br>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix"><br>
Kenneth: Can you also please refrain from your goading and
taunting behaviour? If you don't have something helpful and
productive that the majority (or even a good sized minority) of
the list will benefit from, please do consider sending your emails
privately rather than to the whole list.<br>
<br>
Both/All: if you have an 'official' complaint against an
individual please submit them privately to where they need to go
(if there is such a place). Using the mailing list to complain
tends to just be a rather un-veiled form of insulting someone, or
perhaps an attempt to goad them into a negative response.<br>
<br>
If there are individuals on this list that you do not respect,
please at least respect yourself and everyone else by either not
engaging with them, or by treating them cordially. The moment you
stoop to insults it doesn't matter if you are right or wrong, you
has already started turning others against you.<br>
<br>
<pre class="moz-signature" cols="84"> Stephen Ogden
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On 03/04/2013 14:42, Antonio Garcia wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">That is nice to know. So I may, together with al
the international colleagues on this list, assume that the
silence on the part of any Catalan Pirate Party individuals
either under their personal authority or representing the
party... can be understood as FULL SUPPORT for the behaviour of
Kenneth and telltale sign of their logical and ethical
standards?<br>
<br>
If PPI officials and fellow Pirate Party delegates from around
the world also take the silent approach as acceptance and
likemindedness...<br>
<br>
... well, I feel forced to ask everybody to speak up to avoid
being ranged among those with that default behaviour.<br>
<br>
I would not like to blame innocent people further on.<br>
<br>
<br>
Antonio.<br>
<br>
<hr>Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:28:08 +0200<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:jordi@soucheiron.cat">jordi@soucheiron.cat</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties International
Conference Kazan 2013<br>
<br>
<div dir="ltr">Dear Antonio,
<div>As usual you're wrong, Kenneth as our spokesperson has
our full support. Please don't fill our inboxes with useless
emails that divert the attention from important matters.</div>
<div>
Thank you</div>
</div>
<div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br>
<br>
<div class="ecxgmail_quote">2013/4/3 Antonio Garcia <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
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<div dir="ltr">Formal?<br>
<br>
You have plenipotenciary powers to decide this on your
own, as in personally involved, on behalf of the whole
of your party?<br>
<br>
<br>
A party which, it must be said, has not published a
single comma on this list since you certainly shamed
them so deeply...<br>
<br>
<br>
You must be out of your mind.<br>
<br>
<br>
Antonio.<br>
<br>
> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:20:36 +0200
<div>
<div class="h5"><br>
> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a><br>
> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a><br>
> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> Subject: RE: [pp.int.general] Pirate Parties
International Conference Kazan 2013<br>
> <br>
> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 13:17:19 +0000, Antonio
Garcia <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
> > After the infamous letter you posted
lately, I must say I admire your<br>
> > ignorant guts :) .<br>
> > <br>
> > <br>
> > Antonio.<br>
> > <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> <br>
> This is ANOTHER formal complaint about
Antonio's behaviour.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> >> Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 15:13:51 +0200<br>
> >> From: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a><br>
> >> To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a><br>
> >> CC: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >> Subject: RE: [pp.int.general] Pirate
Parties International<br>
> >> Conference Kazan 2013<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Antonio, points are points, insults
are insults. You simply keep on<br>
> >> insulting anyone not supporting your
desires.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Is insulting people an acceptable
behaviour in this mailing list?<br>
> >> <br>
> >> This is a formal complaint about
Antonio's behaviour.<br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> Regards,<br>
> >> <br>
> >> Kenneth<br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> <br>
> >> On Wed, 3 Apr 2013 12:51:10 +0000,
Antonio Garcia<br>
> >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> >> wrote:<br>
> >> > Your wishful thinking is
pathetic.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I do not need to be a delegate
to Kazan for the Spanish Pirate Party<br>
> to<br>
> >> > have inalienable rights. I have
these on my own as a human being, and<br>
> >> > as<br>
> >> an<br>
> >> > equal among pirates.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > By their own Rules of
Procedure, provisional as they might be but<br>
> >> > deemed<br>
> >> > temporarily enforceable unless
a General Assembly ruled otherwise<br>
> >> (which,<br>
> >> > thanks to the terrible
efficiency of General Assemblies has not<br>
> >> > happened<br>
> >> > yet :) )... anonymous
complaints are acceptable in matters regarding<br>
> >> > infringement of PPI Statutes.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > What happened at the PPI GA in
Prague and showed up in several CoA<br>
> >> rulings<br>
> >> > qualifies largely as such.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > So, no matter how cleverly you
or anybody else thought he was<br>
> >> scheming...<br>
> >> > you are fucked assholes.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > And PPI and PPI Board are
walking on eggs in this...<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Antonio.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 14:02:23
+0200<br>
> >> > Subject: RE: [pp.int.general]
Pirate Parties International<br>
> >> > Conference Kazan 2013<br>
> >> > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a><br>
> >> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>;<br>
> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > All your logic goes linked to
your personal wishes, not to rules or<br>
> >> > statutes.<br>
> >> > Current PPI statutes don't
accept personal/annonymous complaints, so<br>
> >> stop<br>
> >> > crying and at least get
recognized as the official delegate of your<br>
> >> party<br>
> >> > before
complaining/crying/begging any longer.<br>
> >> > So far, for what I know, your
fellow party members don't want you to<br>
> >> > represent them at all.<br>
> >> > Go fix that or shout up :)<br>
> >> > Be really logic, my friend.
Don't just say you are .<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Salut! <br>
> >> > Antonio Garcia <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
> >> > You have a weird sense of logic
and ethic, my "friend".<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I do not need to propose
anything. This is pending matter since it<br>
> was<br>
> >> > duly introduced as an anonymous
complaint to the Court of<br>
> Arbitration.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > And it gets absolute priority
at the PPI General Assembly because the<br>
> >> > GA<br>
> >> > is the supreme body of appeal
when the CoA fails to deliver, and<br>
> >> > because<br>
> >> > its outcome impacts on voting
rights at the same General Assembly.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Vote outcomes could be
different if the vote of the Catalan Pirate<br>
> >> > Party<br>
> >> > are deemed valid... so solving
this issue comes first.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > And not doing it in such a way
raises that many LOGICAL and ETHICAL<br>
> >> > questions within PPI...<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > ... that a FORK to the whole
movement that provides a safe harbour<br>
> for<br>
> >> > logically and ethically
consistent Pirates... is not to e ruled out<br>
> if<br>
> >> PPI<br>
> >> > utterly fails in this.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Either way... you are done.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Antonio.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 11:18:47
+0200<br>
> >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general]
Pirate Parties International<br>
> >> > Conference Kazan 2013<br>
> >> > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat" target="_blank">kenneth@pirata.cat</a><br>
> >> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>;<br>
> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > To propose anything... You need
to do it through your officiap<br>
> >> > representatives.<br>
> >> > The members of PPI are its
parties, not its party members, and so far<br>
> >> you<br>
> >> > haven't been appointed as PP-ES
delegate.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Salut! <br>
> >> > Antonio Garcia <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>
escribió:<br>
> >> > It's a bit late to try to get a
quorum lowering participation costs<br>
> for<br>
> >> > remotely represented members to
zero or almost zero.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Holding the GA in Kazan has
been a strategical move only to benefit<br>
> >> > Gregory's position since the
very beginning of it.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, PP of Russia is not
even registered yet.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, there was such an
interest in organizing this in Russia...<br>
> >> that<br>
> >> > there were two concurrent bids
from there.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, the meetings where
the outcome of the selection process was<br>
> >> > crafted... were densely
populated with participants.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, there is maybe still
another meeting scheduled for Kiev...<br>
> >> > theoretically stealth approved
through "administrative silence"...<br>
> from<br>
> >> > Gregory?<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, the russian bids were
so consistent... the venue for Kazan<br>
> is<br>
> >> > not the originally offered
venue anymore.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Remember, the Kazan offer is
headed towards being the most expensive<br>
> in<br>
> >> > the history of the pirate
movement... only affordable for local<br>
> >> > russians<br>
> >> > and the international pirate
dandies with unlimited travel budgets.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > And certainly, it will be a
place where Gregory will easily find<br>
> straw<br>
> >> men<br>
> >> > to hold his many delegation
representations. How many this time,<br>
> >> Gregory?<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Surely, he aims for reelection,
and he is bureaucratically working<br>
> with<br>
> >> > his elbows towards it to the
best of his abilities... and 150.000<br>
> >> > rubles<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> > personal subsidies.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I am tired of all the bulshit
stacked into the Pirate Movement in<br>
> such<br>
> >> > a<br>
> >> > short timeframe because of the
lack of genuine leadership and vision<br>
> in<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> > Pirate Swarm.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > It has become an IDIOCRACY some
demagogues know far too well how to<br>
> >> > navigate with populism and mob
rule.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > If Kazan does not put an end to
the endless horrors against logic and<br>
> >> > ethic imposed onto the Pirate
Movement in Prague (I witnessed that in<br>
> >> utter<br>
> >> > awe, do not know if it was more
or less than in previous GAs)... then<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> > Pirate Movement is a walking
Zombie.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > One single and simple test to
begin with:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > 1) The bogus admission of the
Catalan Pirate Party as a full member<br>
> of<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> > PPI after a mere propaganda
session, a blackmail to the Assembly, and<br>
> >> mob<br>
> >> > rule to impose a vote on a
matter not being an ad-hoc competence of<br>
> the<br>
> >> > General Assembly,
instrumentalizing a non-motion of the Australian<br>
> >> Pirate<br>
> >> > Party... and ignoring it did
not even reach the required two-thirds<br>
> >> > majority.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > The Statutes of PPI were
blatantly ignored first, and consciously<br>
> >> violated<br>
> >> > in a sentence of the Court of
Arbitration that will certainly be<br>
> >> > awarded<br>
> >> > the Nobel Prize for utter
stupidity as soon as it is created.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I presented a very argumented
and of unavoidable consequences<br>
> complaint<br>
> >> to<br>
> >> > the Court of Arbitration...
anonymously, as I could not get the<br>
> backing<br>
> >> of<br>
> >> > a spineless Board of the
Spanish Pirate Party,... carefully following<br>
> >> the<br>
> >> > published guidelines of the
Rules of Procedure of the Court of<br>
> >> > Arbitration,... that had
decided -without a hint of disapproval<br>
> >> anywhere-<br>
> >> > that it would accept anonymous
complaints of anybody in case of<br>
> >> > infringement to the PPI
Statutes.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > There was only one way to stop
the complaint of achieving its goal...<br>
> >> > render the CoA absolutely
inoperative so that it could not resolve<br>
> into<br>
> >> a<br>
> >> > result it could not tamper
with.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > PP-CH threatened to SUE the PPI
in court in such a clumsy way it<br>
> >> > offered<br>
> >> > Gregory an dreamed excuse to
impose the resignation of the Court of<br>
> >> > Arbitration as a Salomonic
(rather satanic) "solution" the Swiss<br>
> could<br>
> >> be<br>
> >> > happy with or show muscle...
and they folded.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > As the voting rights of a bogus
member are being contested... either<br>
> we<br>
> >> > solve this adequately on-line
BEFORE the assembly (and then maybe<br>
> more<br>
> >> > members seeing some hope is
still a push to get the needed remote<br>
> >> > participants on board)... or
you will be fighting it out during the<br>
> two<br>
> >> > days, unable to tackle anything
else (what a waste of money and time<br>
> >> > for<br>
> >> > all those present in Kazan),
and sign the demise of a pirate movement<br>
> >> > already lacking credibility for
any intelligent being.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Antonio García.<br>
> >> > (by some kind of weird
disfunctional wonder... official member of the<br>
> >> > Board of the Spanish Pirate
Party... while it lasts :( ). <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Date: Wed, 3 Apr 2013 03:02:40
+0200<br>
> >> > From: <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jelena.the.one@gmail.com"
target="_blank">jelena.the.one@gmail.com</a><br>
> >> > To: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net"
target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> >> > Subject: Re: [pp.int.general]
Pirate Parties International Conference<br>
> >> > Kazan 2013<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I think you can get campaigns
off the ground through posting ideas on<br>
> >> this<br>
> >> > list and involving the various
national Parties if the ideas are<br>
> good.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > that's what I am doing, that's
community management, not campaign and<br>
> >> > advertising :) thanx for having
time to reply<br>
> >> > I really believe conference
fees should be none for remote<br>
> >> > participants,<br>
> >> > since Kazan is that far and
that expensive. Excuse e Gregory, but<br>
> fees<br>
> >> are<br>
> >> > 3 do 4 times higher then in
Prague.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 9:48 PM,
Simon Frew<br>
> >> <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au"
target="_blank">simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au</a>><br>
> >> > wrote:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>Jelena said:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>It was not a junket. it was
good opportunity for networking. And<br>
> there <br>
> >> > is less trolling and hate
speech when you meet someone face 2 face. <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > That's<br>
> >> > good if you can afford it, none
of our members seem to have the<br>
> spare <br>
> >> > funds to travel to Russia for a
two day meeting, and we can't afford<br>
> >> > to<br>
> >> > fund them out of our limited
budget.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>I think conference few
should be much lower for remote participants.<br>
> Or<br>
> >> >>it should be no fee at all.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Those<br>
> >> > of us attending as remote
delegates cannot register to attend.<br>
> >> > Leaving<br>
> >> > us to wonder, will there even
be remote delegates this year? Will it<br>
> >> > be<br>
> >> > any better than previous years?
<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I think I speak for many
non-European <br>
> >> > parties when I say we are
looking for reassurance and evidence that<br>
> we <br>
> >> > wont get screwed over and left
out yet again. If this years GA is as<br>
> >> > farcical as the last two, the
organisation will start to crumble.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>PPI has no budget, and I as
a board member didn't use any <br>
> >> > money so far. Even for runnign
FB campaign resources (maybe) could be<br>
> <br>
> >> > given from PP DE. <br>
> >> >>When I realized it I gave up
making a project proposal<br>
> >> > and going trough bureaucracy
for little campaign <br>
> >> >>(managing FB ads from <br>
> >> > Serbia is cheaper than in other
countries, ofc talking about price<br>
> per <br>
> >> > click / per 1000 views) <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I think you can get campaigns
off the ground through posting ideas on<br>
> >> this<br>
> >> > list and involving the various
national Parties if the ideas are<br>
> good.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>PPI board members, as far as
I know, will go to <br>
> >> > Kazan from their own money too.
PPI has no budget even to send board<br>
> >> > to<br>
> >> > PPI conference. <br>
> >> >>And I agree it is not cheap
even when you are flying <br>
> >> > from Europe, I calculated costs
of flight ticket and hotel and it was<br>
> <br>
> >> > cca 1.000 eur (~ 1.200 AU
dollars), from the Balkans. <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Surely<br>
> >> > remote participation would be
more important than ever, yet despite <br>
> >> > repeated efforts through
multiple channels we cannot get a response <br>
> >> > reassuring people who can't
attend in person that they will be able<br>
> to <br>
> >> > participate and that remote
delegates will be taken seriously.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > What does the Board want the
money for? How much does it want?<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > We are reluctant <br>
> >> > to give money <br>
> >> > to an organisation that we feel
effectively excluded from, with no<br>
> >> > idea<br>
> >> > what it will do. The trust we
have in the PPI, if you can't tell is <br>
> >> > basically non-existant at the
moment. The Co-Chair publicly attacking<br>
> >> > us<br>
> >> > for not wanting to spend
thousands of dollars to go to Russia<br>
> doesn't <br>
> >> > exactly give us confidence any
money that goes to PPI will be used <br>
> >> > wisely.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Mab wrote:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >>The Swedish Pirate Party has
since the start used a forum platform<br>
> for <br>
> >> > our general assemblies. Over
the years we have developed <br>
> >> >>quite a few <br>
> >> > fetures to make it more
suitable for online assemlies. They are<br>
> >> > entirely<br>
> >> > text based and nowadays spans 6
weeks so that <br>
> >> >>people can attend <br>
> >> > regardless of when they have
the time to be online. Any single round<br>
> >> > of<br>
> >> > voting spans at least 24 hours
to facilitate <br>
> >> >>that everyone can vote.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > This sounds like the exact sort
of thing that is needed for PPI.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Regards<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Simon<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM,
<<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se"
target="_blank">mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se</a>><br>
> >> > wrote:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > The Swedish Pirate Party has
since the start used a forum platform<br>
> for<br>
> >> our<br>
> >> > general assemblies. Over the
years we have developed quite a few<br>
> >> > fetures<br>
> >> to<br>
> >> > make it more suitable for
online assemlies. They are entirely text<br>
> >> > based<br>
> >> > and nowadays spans 6 weeks so
that people can attend regardless of<br>
> when<br>
> >> > they have the time to be
online. Any single round of voting spans at<br>
> >> least<br>
> >> > 24 hours to facilitate that
everyone can vote.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > I am pretty sure a similar
model would work for PPI, which, given its<br>
> >> > delegate system, would have far
less participants.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > If ppi where interested I am
sure we could provide the technical<br>
> >> know-how<br>
> >> > of how to set up a web forum.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > All the best<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Mab<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > PP-SE<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > EU-branch<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > On 2013-04-02 10:41, Simon Frew
wrote:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > We just use cheap video
streaming with an IRC channel where we verify<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > who can vote and give them
voice. Everyone with a computer monitors<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > IRC so remote delegates get
adequately represented. I think it costs<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > about $50 for the streaming,
but if its entirely online a Mumble<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > server and a Pad would about do
it. When we hired all of the gear it<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > cost a total of $150 or so, but
we have members who can provide a lot<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > of infrastructure out of their
own gear.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > It was suggested on #PPI IRC
that one could be held on Google+, PP<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > California meet using it (or
did when I attended a meeting once) and<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > it worked well. It means
dealing with Google and subsequent privacy<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > implications but it has video
and is free.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > If there wont be any remote
participation in the GA we might as well<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > hold our own on Mumble. You
guys could even have the honour of<br>
> hosting<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > the first one. Although PPAU
has its own Mumble server too. Just<br>
> start<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > it later in your day time so I
dont have to get up too early to<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > attend. ;)<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Regards<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Simon<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM,
Aza <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:rata_0071@hotmail.com"
target="_blank">rata_0071@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > 2013/4/1 Simon Frew <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au"
target="_blank">simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au</a>><br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > We run remote participation for
every congress in Australia and it<br>
> >> > costs<br>
> >> > virtually nothing. See our
official complaint letter for how to do<br>
> it.<br>
> >> The<br>
> >> > idea it is expensive is false.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > Hey Simon could the PPAU
provide the infrastructure for a virtual GA?<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > At the PPAR we have a mumble
server that could be used if you dont<br>
> miss<br>
> >> > video.<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > If we cant participate in the
same one we may just as well have a<br>
> >> parallel<br>
> >> > virtual GA<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > regards<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > aza<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > President of the Intergalactic
Pirate Party (IPP)<br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >
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> >> > <br>
> >> > Pirate Parties International -
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> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
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> >> > <br>
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >
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> >> > <br>
> >> > Pirate Parties International -
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> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> >
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> >> > <br>
> >> > Pirate Parties International -
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> >> > <a moz-do-not-send="true"
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target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>
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> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
> >> > <br>
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