<div dir="ltr"><div>>Jelena said:<br><br>>It was not a junket. it was good opportunity for networking. And there
is less trolling and hate speech when you meet someone face 2 face. <br><br></div>That's
good if you can afford it, none of our members seem to have the spare
funds to travel to Russia for a two day meeting, and we can't afford to
fund them out of our limited budget.<br>
<br>>I think conference few should be much lower for remote participants. Or it should be no fee at all. <br><br>Those
of us attending as remote delegates cannot register to attend. Leaving
us to wonder, will there even be remote delegates this year? Will it be
any better than previous years? <br><br>I think I speak for many non-European
parties when I say we are looking for reassurance and evidence that we
wont get screwed over and left out yet again. If this years GA is as farcical as the last two, the organisation will start to crumble.<br>
<br><div><b>>PPI has no budget,</b> and I as a board member didn't use any
money so far. Even for runnign FB campaign resources (maybe) could be
given from PP DE. <br>>When I realized it I gave up making a project proposal
and going trough bureaucracy for little campaign <br>>(managing FB ads from
Serbia is cheaper than in other countries, ofc talking about price per
click / per 1000 views) <br></div><div><br></div><div>I think you can get campaigns off the ground through posting ideas on this list and involving the various national Parties if the ideas are good.<br></div><div><br></div>
<div>>PPI board members, as far as I know, will go to
Kazan from their own money too. PPI has no budget even to send board to
PPI conference. <br>>And I agree it is not cheap even when you are flying
from Europe, I calculated costs of flight ticket and hotel and it was
cca 1.000 eur (~ 1.200 AU dollars), from the Balkans. <br><br></div><div>Surely
remote participation would be more important than ever, yet despite
repeated efforts through multiple channels we cannot get a response
reassuring people who can't attend in person that they will be able to
participate and that remote delegates will be taken seriously.<br>
</div><div><br>What does the Board want the money for? How much does it want?<br><br>We are reluctant
to give money
to an organisation that we feel effectively excluded from, with no idea
what it will do. The trust we have in the PPI, if you can't tell is
basically non-existant at the moment. The Co-Chair publicly attacking us
for not wanting to spend thousands of dollars to go to Russia doesn't
exactly give us confidence any money that goes to PPI will be used
wisely.<br><br></div><div>Mab wrote:<br><br>>The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum platform for
our general assemblies. Over the years we have developed <br>>quite a few
fetures to make it more suitable for online assemlies. They are entirely
text based and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that <br>>people can attend
regardless of when they have the time to be online. Any single round of
voting spans at least 24 hours to facilitate <br>>that everyone can vote.<br><br></div><div>This sounds like the exact sort of thing that is needed for PPI.<br><br></div><div>Regards<br><br></div><div>Simon<br></div></div>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 1:18 AM, <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se" target="_blank">mattias.bjarnemalm@piratpartiet.se</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">The Swedish Pirate Party has since the start used a forum platform for our general assemblies. Over the years we have developed quite a few fetures to make it more suitable for online assemlies. They are entirely text based and nowadays spans 6 weeks so that people can attend regardless of when they have the time to be online. Any single round of voting spans at least 24 hours to facilitate that everyone can vote.<br>
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I am pretty sure a similar model would work for PPI, which, given its delegate system, would have far less participants.<br>
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If ppi where interested I am sure we could provide the technical know-how of how to set up a web forum.<br>
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All the best<br>
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Mab<br>
PP-SE<br>
EU-branch<div class="im"><br>
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On 2013-04-02 10:41, Simon Frew wrote:<br>
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We just use cheap video streaming with an IRC channel where we verify<br>
who can vote and give them voice. Everyone with a computer monitors<br>
IRC so remote delegates get adequately represented. I think it costs<br>
about $50 for the streaming, but if its entirely online a Mumble<br>
server and a Pad would about do it. When we hired all of the gear it<br>
cost a total of $150 or so, but we have members who can provide a lot<br>
of infrastructure out of their own gear.<br>
<br>
It was suggested on #PPI IRC that one could be held on Google+, PP<br>
California meet using it (or did when I attended a meeting once) and<br>
it worked well. It means dealing with Google and subsequent privacy<br>
implications but it has video and is free.<br>
<br>
If there wont be any remote participation in the GA we might as well<br>
hold our own on Mumble. You guys could even have the honour of hosting<br>
the first one. Although PPAU has its own Mumble server too. Just start<br></div>
it later in your day time so I dont have to get up too early to<div class="im"><br>
attend. ;)<br>
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Regards<br>
<br>
Simon<br>
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On Tue, Apr 2, 2013 at 7:18 PM, Aza <<a href="mailto:rata_0071@hotmail.com" target="_blank">rata_0071@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="im">
2013/4/1 Simon Frew <<a href="mailto:simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au" target="_blank">simon.frew@pirateparty.org.au</a><u></u>><br>
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We run remote participation for every congress in Australia and it costs virtually nothing. See our official complaint letter for how to do it. The idea it is expensive is false.<br>
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Hey Simon could the PPAU provide the infrastructure for a virtual GA?<br>
<br></div>
At the PPAR we have a mumble server that could be used if you dont miss video.<br>
<br>
If we cant participate in the same one we may just as well have a parallel virtual GA<div class="im"><br>
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regards<br>
aza<br>
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President of the Intergalactic Pirate Party (IPP)<br>
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