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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>It was. If what you say now is what you really meant... you used very unprecise wording (maybe thinking that your precise thoughts would telepatically carry over somehow).<br><br>As I am more concerned about the general dynamics of voting processes, I focussed more on the trouble that would come our way.<br><br>As for the actual trouble at hand, the unwarranted redirection, I know how it works out. I witnessed such a thing when Hacktivists campaigned against Sinde Law in Spain, and many download sites suddenly blackened out redirecting their public to the campaign blog for an explanation without warning. First time I learned there is a cap of 5.000 mostly stupid comments on Wordpress postings... several days in a row :( .<br><br>And people do not really listen to your secret wishes. Consider Spain... 6 officially registered pirate parties... and I still have to register mine after breaking away from PP-ES after their unworthy behaviour in Kazan.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 14:49:11 +0200<br>> From: pirate@valio.ch<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net; ningunotro@hotmail.com<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] fyi movie2k<br>> <br>> Ahoy Antonio,<br>> <br>> Was your criticism targetted at my message?<br>> If so I don't really get it.<br>> What I said was, that people should be encouraged to start a pirate <br>> party *IF* there is none yet in their territory.<br>> <br>> I agree that if there is a treshold for elections, small parties - <br>> where one might be a pirate party - are hardly succesful in getting <br>> into it. I personally hope that in those cases small parties are <br>> considering to merge up in order to remove those static tresholds. <br>> They do nothing good at all, but to distort the will of the people. I <br>> have not seen yet any reason for them that is sound IMO; but I'm not <br>> going into details here as it is OT.<br>> <br>> -pat<br>> <br>> Zitat von Antonio Garcia <ningunotro@hotmail.com>:<br>> <br>> > That is a very stupid idea, unless what you want is to maneuver most <br>> > of the protest votes directly to the dust bin of the "democratic" <br>> > elections.<br>> ><br>> > With an electoral treshold of 5%, it only takes 20 little parties <br>> > getting to 4,9% of the vote... to spoil 98% of the legitimate vote <br>> > and get absolute majorities with whatever little you can still <br>> > concentrate as captive vote.<br>> ><br>> > What one needs is to be the only extremely convincing with ones own <br>> > party, so that the protest vote does concentrate... but it should be <br>> > tough if too many think up to that level.<br>> ><br>> > Pirates are not actually rewarding intelligent thinking... and it <br>> > shows in the results.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Antonio.<br>> ><br>> ><br>> >> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2013 06:29:50 +0200<br>> >> From: pirate@valio.ch<br>> >> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] fyi movie2k<br>> >><br>> >> Congrats and thanks for being thoughtful to point at the list of<br>> >> pirate parties! :-)<br>> >><br>> >> One way to be even been bolder, would be to ask people to start their<br>> >> own party if they think that none exists (and probably link to<br>> >> http://wiki.pp-international.net/Best_practices_for_creating_a_party )<br>> >><br>> >> -pat<br>> >><br>> >> Quoting Markus Drenger <markus.drenger@piratenpartei-hessen.de>:<br>> >><br>> >> > Hi,<br>> >> ><br>> >> > an unknown person has redirected the domain movie2k.to to the german<br>> >> > pirate party. In order to answer 8.6 million requests a day we assembled<br>> >> > a small site http://www.movie2k.to/#en<br>> >> ><br>> >> > sincerely,<br>> >> > Markus<br>> >> > ____________________________________________________<br>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >> ><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> <br>> <br></div> </div></body>
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