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<body class='hmmessage'><span style="font-family: Arial;">To the drama queens of both sides, all I can say is "boo hoo" <br><br>@patrick <br>I share your concerns, especially bearing in mind all the latest shit storm with nsa etc. <br>Can you make the appropriate changes and coordinate the migration to the ppi servers? If so, please volunteer to do so. Such things don't happen on their own, and most don't have the technical background to do it. <br><br><br><div id="htc_header" style="">----- Reply message -----<br>From: "Antonio Garcia" <ningunotro@hotmail.com><br>To: "Gregory Engels" <gregory.engels@pp-international.net><br>Cc: "Pirate Parties International -- General Talk" <pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net>, "PPI board" <board@pp-international.net><br>Subject: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?<br>Date: Fri, Jun 7, 2013 14:59<br><br></div></span><br><div dir='ltr'>That is fine with me, Gregory, considering what has happened in the recent and not so recent past.<br><br>I dare hope you do not think I have been waiting for any of similar declarations on your side to know where to stand.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?<br>From: gregory.engels@pp-international.net<br>Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:42:43 +0200<br>CC: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net; board@pp-international.net<br>To: ningunotro@hotmail.com<br><br><div>Antonio, </div><div><br></div><div>I just want to inform you, that with that email, i got finally sick of personal </div><div>attacks and insults from you and refuse any future communication with you. </div><div>Please await no answers from me to your email, as I will not getting them, </div><div>as you are in my killfile now. I will ignore mails from you from other accounts</div><div>and add them to the killfile accordingly, </div><div><br></div><div>have a nice day. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><br><div>
<span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><span class="ecxApple-style-span" style="border-collapse:separate;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium;"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;"><div>sincerely yours, </div><div><br></div><div>Gregory Engels</div><div>Co-Chairman</div><div>Pirate Parties International</div><div><br></div><div>mobile: +49 172 853 44 91</div><div><a target="_blank">skype:gregory.engels</a></div><div><a target="_blank">jabber:dichter@jabber.piratenpartei.de</a></div><div>my free time: <a href="http://doodle.com/dichter" target="_blank">http://doodle.com/dichter</a></div></div></span><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"></div></span><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"></span><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On 07.06.2013, at 13:34, Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr">You, and anybody with a brain not of the core apparatchik :( .<br><br>Sheeple are more than welcome. They even do not care as they do not even imagine they should have things to hide...<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:patrick.godschalk@piratenpartij.nl">patrick.godschalk@piratenpartij.nl</a><br>> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2013 13:29:14 +0200<br>> To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> CC:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Okay, cool.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Now let me know why you logged into a Google apps account to<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> send that e-mail from your @<a href="http://pp-international.net" target="_blank">pp-international.net</a> address, but<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> conveniently forgot to mention this. :)<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> And yes, I'm quite aware that this list isn't run over the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> same infrastructure, as as far as I know it's still ran on<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> PPSE's servers at <a href="http://pirateweb.org" target="_blank">pirateweb.org</a>. I'm talking about the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> <a href="http://pp-international.net" target="_blank">pp-international.net</a> domain specifically.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> But yeah, it's really good to know that all our messages sent<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> to public lists aren't processed through Google Apps accounts,<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> because that's totally what matters. Public lists. Never mind<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> all the individual accounts and group accounts.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Oh, and I guess it's also really handy to forget about the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> string of A and AAAA records in the dig output. Because you<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> know, who cares about people who visit the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> pp-international webserver.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> So yeah, my sincere apologies. I seem to be under the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> misunderstanding that one of the core pirate values was to<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> care about the privacy of individuals and to be opposed to<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> continuous tracking and datamining of everything.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> I mean, if I knew that pirates are totally cool with having<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> all their infrastructure ran by a company that has data mining<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> and tracking as its core business model, I'd never feel so<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> strongly about this! So yeah, fuck me, right?<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> --<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Patrick Godschalk<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> <a href="mailto:patrick.godschalk@piratenpartij.nl">patrick.godschalk@piratenpartij.nl</a><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> GPG: 86DF FF6F B123 EEF8 AE43 E652 33C0 785F A15F 01AA (SHA-1)<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> This e-mail is under the CC0 Public Domain Dedication.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a></div></div></div></blockquote></div><br></div> </div></body>
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