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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Being delusional won't work either.<br><br>The lack of adult behaviour has been extensively documented.<br><br>This crowds model is kindergarten...<br><br>... with some very pragmatic sharks in the pool.<br><br><br>And the usefullness for anyone else but the sharks is tending to zero.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2013 18:34:03 +0200<br>> From: zzbbyy@gmail.com<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Fwd: Really now?<br>> <br>> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Thijs Markus<br>> <thijs.markus@piratenpartij.nl> wrote:<br>> > There have been two people on this thread alone offering to sort it out -<br>> > free of charge.<br>> ><br>> > However, as admitting there is a problem under your supervision is the first<br>> > step towards political suicide, and would-be politicians are all around, I<br>> > dont see these offers being taken up or these issues resolved. This really<br>> > does need to change - covering your ass from the get go and having that take<br>> > presidence over the issues at hand. Method: degenerate the discussion into a<br>> > blame game by absolving yourself at the outset at leaving it at that. Should<br>> > this be challenged, you then cross your fingers that someone will pop up to<br>> > restore the sweet and gentle peace while you lay low so you live to bullshit<br>> > another day. Meanwhile, the issue remains unresolved. Does this all not<br>> > sound eerily familiar with the failings of our so-called democracy? And<br>> > sure, you can say I have done my detrimental share to this effect, but I<br>> > only pick on the people actually politicising every single issue and trying<br>> > to bullshit their way out of their responsibility, so they dont get spanked<br>> > for it - hence I spank them anyway on the premise they're doing thus & only<br>> > by pointing out their methodology.<br>> <br>> spanking does not work here - sorry<br>> <br>> Lets treat each other as an adult.<br>> <br>> Z.<br>> <br>> ><br>> > Zbigniew £ukasiak schreef op 09.06.2013 13:31:<br>> >><br>> >> On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Pat Mächler<br>> >> <patrick.maechler@pp-international.net> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> I have just scanned through the messages.<br>> >>> I would just put forward a general note.<br>> >>> The service with GoogleApps was set up out of convenience before the<br>> >>> Brussels conference. It was the solution that worked instantly for us,<br>> >>> was<br>> >>> usable and did not require a lot of IT work. IMO even though we're a<br>> >>> political movement that is bound to IT like no other probably, it's<br>> >>> actually<br>> >>> not that easy to get hold of people that are capable of setting up the IT<br>> >>> *and* are willing to provide the required time in the required time span<br>> >>> for<br>> >>> free.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> I kind of agree that this is not an ideal solution - but it is a<br>> >> practical one.<br>> >><br>> >> There is the expectation that if there is something non-ideal then it<br>> >> should be changed immediately by The Board. This is not realistic and<br>> >> starting long diatribes explaining why it is non-ideal is<br>> >> counter-productive, because most of us, and The Board probably as<br>> >> well, do agree that it is not ideal.<br>> >><br>> >> Cheers,<br>> >> Z.<br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> <br>> <br>> <br>> --<br>> Zbigniew Lukasiak<br>> http://brudnopis.blogspot.com/<br>> http://perlalchemy.blogspot.com/<br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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