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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>Really, this kiddy behaviour by the majority is sickening me.<br><br>The used method is approval voting, with 16 parties present, so minimum 9 votes to get voted in.<br><br>That is why Andrew and Arturo are not in.<br><br>Abstentions do NOT count, but criterion is NOT >50% of votes cast for each candidate.<br><br>Otherwise the one that got 7 for and 6 against would also have been elected with more than 50% of votes cast for him.<br><br><br>And the Catalan issue is still not off the table...<br><br><br>No wonder serious people are scarce among pirates... you really should resign from kindergarten one day, all of you.<br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><br><div>> Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2013 18:51:36 -0400<br>> From: ktetch@ktetch.co.uk<br>> To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Minutes of PPI GA 2013<br>> <br>> Ok, an update on this for those that are interested (and we all should be)<br>> <br>> Nuno's been arguing to have the Court fully constituted as required by<br>> PPI statutes.<br>> in the Board meeting 2 weeks ago, he pointed out that under the Rules,<br>> myself and Arturo were also elected, but that Denis and Sven<br>> misunderstood the statutes as regards abstentions.<br>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Minutes_2013-05-28#6_Activity_of_CoA<br>> From there, Gregory said he'd check with Sven over the recorded<br>> accuracy of the votes, if they were accurate, then everything sorted,<br>> and he'd create the two accounts.<br>> <br>> Now the next meeting was today, and since nothing had moved since<br>> then, Nuno has raised it again today. You can read the minutes here<br>> (from line 145) http://ppi.piratenpad.de/agenda-2013-06-11<br>> Basically, despite it being announced wrong at the time, it can't<br>> simply be 'corrected'. Instead, now the court must rule on it (???).<br>> Apparently, the argument was that since no-one objected at the time,<br>> it can't be fixed, despite me asking for the results of all the<br>> elections right after<br>> (http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2013-April/014107.html),<br>> for that reason.<br>> So now it rests with the 5 already confirmed CoA members, and it<br>> really is a no-brainer, but then again so was the invalidity of the<br>> Catalonia membership a year ago, and look how that turned out<br>> (http://lists.pirateweb.net/pipermail/pp.international.general/2012-May/011713.html)<br>> <br>> So, almost 2 months after the Conference, we can maybe finally finish with it.<br>> <br>> Andrew<br>> sent unsigned from my Android<br>> +1(352)-6-KTETCH<br>> <br>> On Sun, May 19, 2013 at 3:31 PM, Nuno Cardoso<br>> <nuno.cardoso@pp-international.net> wrote:<br>> > Seems pretty simple to me as well, both Andrew Norton and Arturo Martínez<br>> > are also elected members of the CoA and should be considered as such even<br>> > if at the time there was a misinterpretation of the statutes.<br>> > Congratulations to both :)<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 8:29 PM, Andrew Norton <ktetch@ktetch.co.uk> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> "at 4:42:33 Sven says that 17 votes were recieved, the quorum is at 9<br>> >> votes and that those 5 candidates were elected"<br>> >><br>> >> Rules of Proceedure<br>> >><br>> >> (http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2013/GA_meeting/RoP#Art._6a_Elections)<br>> >> state<br>> >> Election Method<br>> >><br>> >> a) Before the voting, the number of elected positions should be<br>> >> decided, if Statutes require to do so.<br>> >> b) Every Ordinary Member may vote "yes" for any number of candidates.<br>> >> c) The candidates that has achieved a simple majority of the "yes"<br>> >> votes from Ordinary Members present or represented and voting on<br>> >> them[18] are elected in the order determined by number of "yes" votes<br>> >> accumulated. Abstentions are not taken into account. In event of a tie<br>> >> where order matters, deciding elections are held, where only one "yes"<br>> >> vote per Ordinary Member can be cast.<br>> >> d) If the decided number(Art. 6a(6a)) of positions is not filled,<br>> >> additional round of elections is held unless decided otherwise.<br>> >><br>> >> 8 YES 6 NO is a simple majority when abstentions are not taken into<br>> >> account (57%). Nothing about a decided 'quorum' in there (and in fact<br>> >> the unknown nature of abstentions mean you can't do it anyway) at all.<br>> >><br>> >> Seems pretty simple to me.<br>> >><br>> >> Andrew<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Pat Mächler<br>> >> <patrick.maechler@pp-international.net> wrote:<br>> >> > The following is according to my visual observations on said recordings,<br>> >> > that I preliminary recieved<br>> >> > The times mentionned are relative to the video; not actual daytime<br>> >> ><br>> >> > at 4:30:20 the chair (Sven) announces that the ballot papers are<br>> >> > prepared<br>> >> > and the he CoA vote<br>> >> > for the next 95 seconds Sven signs 16 voting cards (acoording to visual<br>> >> > calculation) and<br>> >> > hands out election ballot sheets to delegates and proxies along with the<br>> >> > chair assistant (Denis)<br>> >> ><br>> >> > at 4:32:10 Sven announces the vote to be open (for 4 minutes) and leaves<br>> >> > the<br>> >> > recording picture<br>> >> > at 4:32:40 he re-enters to the recording picture (returns to the table<br>> >> > to<br>> >> > answer questions)<br>> >> > at 4:33:10 he leaves the table again<br>> >> > at 4:35:00 he re-enters to the recording picture<br>> >> > at 4:36:30 Denis leaves the recording picture<br>> >> > at 4:36:40 Sven leaves the recording picture<br>> >> > around 4:37:23 Sven and Denis are entering and leaving the recording<br>> >> > picture<br>> >> > within 5 seconds<br>> >> > at 4:42:00 the camera angle turns towards right; Sven and Denis can be<br>> >> > seen;<br>> >> > about 50% of the chair table can be seen<br>> >> > at 4:42:20 they walk to the left side; Sven can't be seen anymore<br>> >> > at 4:42:25 Denis walks out of the recording picture<br>> >> > at 4:42:30 the camera turns right again (the chair table can be seen for<br>> >> > about 75%); Sven sits at the table<br>> >> > at 4:42:33 Sven says that 17 votes were recieved, the quorum is at 9<br>> >> > votes<br>> >> > and that those 5 candidates were elected<br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Pat Mächler<br>> >> > <patrick.maechler@pp-international.net> wrote:<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> According to the election notes I have here, I strongly assume that the<br>> >> >> chair calculated with 17 votes cast and an absolute majority was<br>> >> >> necessary.<br>> >> >> However I got only 16 ballot papers.<br>> >> >> I assume the missing vote could be by the UK who decided to generally<br>> >> >> abstain; however there is no such sheet among the ballot papers (in<br>> >> >> contrast<br>> >> >> to all other elections, where there was a blank UK ballot sheet<br>> >> >> provided).<br>> >> >> I will back check ASAP with the preliminary video recordings I got from<br>> >> >> Wolfgang Preiss whether it could be inferred that UK cast an abstention<br>> >> >> vote<br>> >> >> there.<br>> >> >><br>> >> >> -pat<br>> >> >><br>> >> >><br>> >> >> On Thu, May 16, 2013 at 3:48 AM, Mozart Palmer<br>> >> >> <mozart.palmer@pp-international.net> wrote:<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> Is there a reason why there are only five members of the Court of<br>> >> >>> Arbitration elected? The statutes provide for up to seven, meaning<br>> >> >>> that<br>> >> >>> Arturo and Andrew should be elected according to the results.<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> On 16 May 2013 05:46, Pat Mächler<br>> >> >>> <patrick.maechler@pp-international.net><br>> >> >>> wrote:<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> Dear pirates,<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> Please find here the current status of the minutes of the PPI GA<br>> >> >>>> 2013. I<br>> >> >>>> would be grateful if you could provide corrections to me via mail.<br>> >> >>>> 4 weeks afterwards the minutes will be automatically accepted<br>> >> >>>> according<br>> >> >>>> to the RoP.<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> http://wiki.pp-international.net/PPI_Conference_2013/GA_meeting/Minutes<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> You can blame the delay on me; part of the problem was, that I wanted<br>> >> >>>> to<br>> >> >>>> back check the recordings about the member application ballots (they<br>> >> >>>> were<br>> >> >>>> too fast).<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> fair winds<br>> >> >>>> Pat / Valio / vvv<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>>> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> >>>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> >>>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >> >>>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>><br>> >> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> >>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> >>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >> >>><br>> >> >><br>> >> ><br>> >> ><br>> >> > ____________________________________________________<br>> >> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> >> ><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> >> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > ____________________________________________________<br>> > Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> > pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> > http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br>> ><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>> http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general<br></div> </div></body>
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