<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><div style>It's hard to make a "formal complaint" about an informal mail list. As far as I'm aware PPI has nothing to do with the moderation of this list. It was an international list set up many years ago (I believe before or just when PPI was created) by PPSE. Thus it's hosted by PPSE and currently the <span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium;font-style:italic">list is run by </span><a href="mailto:pp.international.general-owner@lists.pirateweb.net" style="font-family:'Times New Roman';font-size:medium;font-style:italic">rick at piratpartiet.se, richie at webhackande.se</a></div>
<div> </div><div style>Thus it probably makes more sense complaining directly to them. I know in the past there's been a big "no-moderation at all costs" approach on this list but I agree with Kenneth that some is needed. I'm still on list because there's no other place and sometimes the things discussed are interesting even if it's rare.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>There are way too many personal attacks, repeated discussions and one word responses (e.g. the 'lol' response to Kenneth) that adds nothing to the discussion and obliterates a lot of the interesting conversations. With the negative atmosphere on this list there are many people that avoid discussing here because they know that it will seldom lead to a good constructive conversation. If the persons responsible for running this list don't act by changing something I suggest that people interested in constructive conversations move to another place. Would prefer that we all stayed here and just changed the rules on the list though.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>One alternative is trying to make <a href="http://www.reddit.com/r/PirateParty/">http://www.reddit.com/r/PirateParty/</a> into a place to discuss international pirate news. Another is opening up a new mail-list with rules for keeping down the noise and keeping the quality of conversations up. If there is an interest and nothing happens to this list Pirate Times might do a new mail-list to discuss the news we post as well as other topics that might become future news. </div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Suggested moderation for posts:</div><div style>* personal attacks</div><div style>* one word responses (adds nothing but noise to conversations) </div><div style>* off-topic replies (start a new thread instead)</div>
<div style>* repeated issues (no point discussing the same thing twice if no new info has come to light)</div><div style>* (any others?)</div><div style><br></div><div style>-> people breaking these rules can be warned first and then set on mod-status and admins need to approve each message by them or just kicked off list if they continuously break rules.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Kindly,</div><div style>Josef</div><div style><br></div><div style>p.s. these are my personal opinions and do not reflect PPSE or Pirate Times.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:50:42 +0200<br>
From: <<a href="mailto:kenneth@pirata.cat">kenneth@pirata.cat</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
<<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>>,<br>
<<a href="mailto:co-chairmen@pp-international.net">co-chairmen@pp-international.net</a>>, <<a href="mailto:board@pp-international.net">board@pp-international.net</a>>,<br>
<<a href="mailto:coa@pp-international.net">coa@pp-international.net</a>><br>
Subject: [pp.int.general] FORMAL COMPLAINT ABOUT THE<br>
ADMINISTRATION/MODERATION OF PPI MAILING LISTS<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:9755ed835bcb61e86ce7c93e092af8bb@127.0.0.1">9755ed835bcb61e86ce7c93e092af8bb@127.0.0.1</a>><br>
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For months we've been flooded by mails from a bunch of guys with too much<br>
spare time, working towards their own private agenda, without any kind of<br>
support from their respective parties.<br>
<br>
This is fucking unacceptable.<br>
<br>
I am really angry with whoever is responsible for this mailing list.<br>
<br>
<br>
These people are REGULARLY BULLING AND HARASSING OTHER PIRATES, and NOBODY<br>
DOES A FUCKING THING IN ORDER TO STOP THIS:<br>
<br>
I am one of the regularly insulted ones, and this is gonna be my crusade<br>
until something is done.<br>
<br>
<br>
Options/Alternatives:<br>
<br>
- Push away people disturbing this mailing list (people without any kind<br>
of support from their respective parties)<br>
- Create a new (open) mailing list where ONLY PEOPLE AUTHORIZED BY THEIR<br>
RESPECTIVE PARTIES CAN JOIN<br>
<br>
<br>
Otherwise this isn't the place where we could talk, share, coordinate and<br>
make anything at all, and I loved the time when we could did so here<br>
(remember Wikileaks-TF or MENA-countries-TF?).<br>
<br>
<br>
This is a formal complaint, and I want a formal reply from Bureau and CoA<br>
at least.<br>
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Regards,<br>
<br>
Kenneth Peiruza<br><br></blockquote></div>
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