Hello,<div><br></div><div>I fail to see how leaving this list as it is, and open a new one for people who likes to discuss differently is censoring anyone in any way. :)<br><br>In any case, it would be all the contrary, it would give the oportunity to all those who may feel a bit intimidated here to say something to speak their mind and participate.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Best regards,</div><div><br></div><div> Muriel<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/6/15 Antonio Garcia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com" target="_blank">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>></span><br>
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<div><div dir="ltr">It would help A TON... not to get away unpunished with blackmail and breaches of the Statutes...<br><br>... it is very difficult to feel respectful sympathy for crooks that fuck the rules.<br><br><br>
Funny, this will be the second time you want things done right... AFTER consolidating benefits gathered doing things wrong.<br><br>You can not ask for moderation against protest for things done wrong... to protect the consolidation of the benefits of your wrongdoing.<br>
<br>That is nothing short of DICTATORIAL CENSORSHIP.<br><br><br>You can have it, if the majority wishes it... but then the majority should grab for a mirror and see if it still recognizes a Pirate in the image.<br><br><br>
Antonio.<br><br><div><hr>From: <a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat" target="_blank">muriel@pirata.cat</a><br>Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:25:41 +0200<br>To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
Subject: [pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list<div><div class="h5"><br><br>Hello,<br>
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I think is good that we keep this list unmoderated, for those who enjoy the rough style, but that we set up an alternative list open to everyone, but with a minimum set of mutual respect rules, for those who prefer to discuss without being insulted.<br>
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This way we can benefit from everyone's contributions, and not only those who are tough enough to discuss in these terms or that have the know-how to set the adequate filters. <br>
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In my experience, just knowing that there are some rules makes people much more respectful, which means that in practice rarely any moderation is needed.<br>
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Would the PPI board be willing to adopt the task of maintaining such a moderated discussion list?<br>
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Of course, the board would be free to delegate this task, but being an official PPI mailing list would mean that the board could always appoint a different responsible in case of conflict, or if the interest of the appointed responsible faded out with time. :-) <br>
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Best regards,<br>
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Muriel<br><br><div><a href="mailto:valio@visionsinteractive.ch" target="_blank">valio@visionsinteractive.ch</a> ha escrit:<blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-family:sans-serif">I would opt as well for an open, but moderated new list with different <br>rules setup from the beginning, for those that prefer to avoid <br>
flamewars and insults.<br><br>I think there should be a place for free troll and flamewar speech; <br>trying to argue who and who isn't a troll i.e. should be kicked out is <br>often like arguing who and who isn't a pirate.<br>
<br>There were discussions in the past without almost any rules. I <br>consider it difficult if not arbitrary to setup rules just like so. If <br>rules are setup IMO it either should be decided by the list owner or <br>
in a sufficiently democratised process. Either one is not easily <br>attainable; especially if contrasted with the possibility of setting <br>up a new list.<br><br>Furthermore I'd like to note, that for international coordinators and <br>
leaders already exists
an
internal ML setup by PPI itself.<br>And of course in most jurisdictions you usually also have the <br>possibility to sue people that insult you or provide a platform for <br>that; just in case you think it gets really unacceptable for you. <br>
That's the easy way. Given you are already certain someone wants to <br>troll, insult or flame you without any honest intention, why argue <br>with them? After all you're likely a digital native and should know <br>
better what works and what not.<br><br>-pat<br><br><hr><br>Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br><a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net" target="_blank">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
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