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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>As always... thinking everything is so simple anyone who wants to look, no matter what his real capacities... should see results of any action showing up for all to see in just seconds.<br><br>I do what I can, considering more circumstances than you care to know exist.<br><br>This world of ours is complex, not the kindergarten most like to believe it is.<br><br><br>That is one of the reasons all the kids alike keep looking at the fact that they seem unable to identify any useful contribution of mine. Rightly so, none could be useful in a kindergarten society or even Pirate Party.<br><br>I went to Prague to see if International was different from local in Spain (and local in Belgium :) )... and considering the answer I got... and how it was finally dealt with in Kazan...<br><br>... I am not the least surprised people everywhere want to get rid of me.<br><br>The fact that I am still around everywhere is proof that merely wishing without having the guts to do anything is not going to get any pirate closer to what he wants.<br><br>How many people participated in the Kiev thingy (don't know how to call it anything without exagerating, Falkvinge is right about people intelligent people moving their feet elsewhere)?<br><br>Did it produce anything worth more than a laugh? Just like Kazan did?<br><br>There is no use in joining any board that is made up of a majority of kiddies that decides "democratically". I made it to the Board of the Spanish Pirate Party... even against the odds of most kiddies absolutely wanting to throw me out of the party, with no more merit than presenting a last minute candidature. So imagine how they organised :( .<br><br>The same way EVERYTHING is organised... in Spain, in Belgium, and probably most elsewhere XDD.<br><br>It might have worked, if the majority of those elected had not been kiddies... but it did not work out that way. Nowhere has it worked that way, be it me or anyone else standing as a serious candidate.<br><br>You should study mass dynamics... before accusing anyone of doing less than what reasonably can be done.<br><br>From ignorance, it is easy to accuse anyone of anything, that is how mob rule works, very efficiently. Dear Mr. Lynch.<br><br><br>Antonio. <br><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">From: behets@gmail.com<br>Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 15:28:29 +0200<br>To: pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net<br>Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list<br><br>So Antonio, how is your pirate party fork going on?<div>Any progress on that?</div><div>Or same progress as you make progress in this one?</div><div><br></div><div>I hear you complaining and complaining everywhere i go.</div><div>You are the most negative person i have ever met to be honest.</div><div><br></div><div>People even in the Belgian party ask me how to get rid of this problem (which is you).</div><div>Without people even knowing you, as you never even showed up on any event, any meeting.</div><div>You didn't do anything constructive, anytime.</div><div><br></div><div>You only complain to the current board. But when there is a chance to join that board, you stay in Brussels and do nothing.</div><div>Easy way, that way you can keep your position of jerk.</div><div><br></div><div>And about know thyself, I don't think many people seem you as part of the movement.</div><div>Only a troll, that because of the open spirit of the party, cannot be removed.</div><div>And this is what you enjoy.</div><div><br></div><div>So, or do something constructive, or start your own fork like you are bragging about for months.</div><div>Or just leave the kiddies play in their kindergarden and find something useful to fill in your life.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>tom</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On 16 Jun 2013, at 15:17, Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="ecxApple-interchange-newline"><blockquote><div class="ecxhmmessage" style="font-size:12pt;font-family:Calibri;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;orphans:2;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;widows:2;word-spacing:0px;"><div dir="ltr">Do not count on me waiting any longer for the Pirate Platform to become stable enough to be politically useful in any way.<br><br>Like Anouk said... know thy enemy, but above all, know thyself :( .<br><br>The way the Pirate Movement is evolving into an Idiocracy where the majority of kindergarten dwellers (not only physical age counts, most is mental attitude :( ) decides the limits on what can be done by the boundary of what it is able to understand without doing more effort than they care to want (the most important thing of the pirate beers is the being together -as opposed to alone :)- to take beers and have fun, hardly a basis for political action when they ignore everything of politics) decides -after marathonian gatherings where loosing time is the only main thread- to do only what they have thought (at their mostly kindergarten median level) is the right and easiest thing to do...<br><br>... it is already a circus that will get nowhere.<br><br>Too sad for the few that still have faith and believe in miracles, and the right punishment for the few sharks that think manoeuvring it until they get elected is fair game.<br><br>PPI is the same problem as the PP-ES that I joined reluctantly and where I have not made myself popular trying to cure it. Because yeah, thijs has faith, but trying to be popular among the populars is in no way getting you anyway close to a cure for the party nor the movement.<br><br>I do not want, nor do I need, to be popular... I need to push for what is needed to make the movement politically operational to be fucking done.<br><br>If all the rest insists on playing around with less than that... OK, message received :( .<br><br><br>Strange and non-logical things happened in Prague and afterwards, including breaches of the PPI Statutes, and in Kazan the Überbureaucrats have said clearly that they do not care as long as they can manoeuvre the outcome to their convenience. And all the rest just looks on... and doesn't have the guts to put up a fight demanding respect for basic decency.<br><br>And I am the one not to understand anything and be too repetitive crying wolf?<br><br>I damn well understand where this all is leading to if nothing is done...<br><br>PPI is becoming another damn USA governmentlike corporate entity, counting on all the children to unwittingly make up the big controlled mass.<br><br>Hardly anything reconcilable with the original Pirate spirit.<br><br><br>Whether I am or can become valuable, is for me to know and or believe. What I would become valuable to... is sadly only for me to decide.<br><br>It is hard to feel much sympathy for those who insist in shoving chimney pipes up ones arse...<br><br>... and I believe it shows in PPI at least since that behaviour started and was condoned by the coward silence of the majority.<br><br><br>You may not like it being said... well then... fuck you.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br><br><br>Antonio.<br><br><br><div>> Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 12:07:17 +0200<br>> From:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:thijs.markus@piratenpartij.nl">thijs.markus@piratenpartij.nl</a><br>> To:<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Usually, I simply ignore Antonio, or at best skim his emails. Like he<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> immediately made my previous mail about his pointless squabble with<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> pp-cat in ppi, despite it clearly containing generalised statements that<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> apply to a broad range of circumstances. Annoying, but oh well.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> One day even he will realise he's simply tossing in his own windows<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> needlessly. One day he will stumble upon that old tale of the boy who<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> cried wolf and realise it has little to with lying and more with<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> pointless alarmism. One day he will realise he's simply ostracising<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> himself by calling the rest a kindergarten and by inference himself<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> superior, while getting us no closer to any sort of solution of these<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> conditions. And that one day he might become valuable - he needs this<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> playground no less up until that point.<br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> Zbigniew £ukasiak schreef op 16.06.2013 08:35:<br>> > I can see the dangers of censorship and it is probably impossible to<br>> > objectively draw the line where starts unacceptable behaviour - but<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > if<br>> > we all agree that someone is abusing this list - then there should be<br>> > something that we could do to limit that behaviour.<br>> ><br>> > As to Antonio and his obsession of kindergarten - I am tired with<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > this<br>> > as well. It now looks like this was his private mailing list as he<br>> > overwhelms everyone with the amount of emails he sends. Maybe we<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> > could<br>> > ask him to limit his emails to this list to maybe once a week?<br>> ><br>> > Cheers,<br>> > Zbigniew<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > On Sun, Jun 16, 2013 at 3:15 AM, Tom Behets <<a href="mailto:behets@gmail.com">behets@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>> >><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> <a href="https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/942558_682975458385445_1334929336_n.jpg" target="_blank">https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/942558_682975458385445_1334929336_n.jpg</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On 16 Jun 2013, at 00:47, Muriel Rovira Esteva <<a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> wrote:<br>> >><br>> >> Dear Anouk,<br>> >><br>> >> This list is for pirates. It's not the outer world nor the corridors<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> of a<br>> >> Parliament. It should be a friendly environment. This is our<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> discussion<br>> >> space, where we should be welcoming, motivating and encouraging<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> newly<br>> >> arrived pirates. Shy and intimidated people may have very good ideas<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> or<br>> >> insights that the whole movement can benefit from.<br>> >><br>> >> We do not need every single pirate helping us to change society or<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> working<br>> >> for our cause to be at the front line shouting and speaking out<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> loud,<br>> >> fighting within a harsh environment of old school politicians.<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> Everyone has<br>> >> its place. Successful teamwork means that every individual should be<br>> >> fulfilling different and complementary tasks.<br>> >><br>> >> If we select only one kind of personality traits, and we only<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> encourage a<br>> >> kind of person to get in our team (call it enduring or whatever),<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> we're very<br>> >> likely to loose a great deal of our potential and the insights that<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> you get<br>> >> when you talk to people that are very different from you... I don't<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> know,<br>> >> perhaps they would be able to tell, for instance, why is the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> movement not as<br>> >> successful sometimes as you would like it to be.<br>> >><br>> >> Additionally, I do not see as our duty (nor understand this<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> obsession) with<br>> >> toughening up people who may temptatively come here to see what the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> pirates<br>> >> are about, and which may be willing to volunteer part of their time<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> to the<br>> >> project, if the thing is appealing enough to them. Last time I<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> checked this<br>> >> wasn't the mailing list of a military camp.<br>> >><br>> >> I also think that we're plural (good thing!), and understand that<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> some very<br>> >> valuable people with good ideas will not know how to express their<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> thoughts<br>> >> in a different way (call it soft or respectful). And because I don't<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> want to<br>> >> miss their insights either, that is why I think an unmoderated list<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> should<br>> >> be mantained as well.<br>> >><br>> >> Why should we limit ourselves to one way or the other? Don't you<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> think that<br>> >> the more ways we have to communicate the better?<br>> >><br>> >> Why do some care so much that other people talk among themselves<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> with a set<br>> >> of rules, if they please to do so? Isn't forcing this no-rules rule<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >> on them<br>> >> a way of limiting their expression?<br>> >><br>> >> Best regards,<br>> >><br>> >> Muriel<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> 2013/6/15 Anouk <<a href="mailto:jakobsheep@gmail.com">jakobsheep@gmail.com</a>><br>> >>><br>> >>> Hi Muriel and others,<br>> >>> I like to point out that /anyone/ feeling intimidated should/must<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> speak<br>> >>> out loud. For how do we know that this is happening ?<br>> >>><br>> >>> Secondly, how does one survive at the real political scene ? If we<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> can't<br>> >>> deal with straigth forward problems as Antonio has argumented, what<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> chance<br>> >>> do the pirates have in public functions ?<br>> >>> I still see his arguments on the table not being handled well.<br>> >>> Kindergarten is unfortunately an good metaphore, and I like to add,<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> without<br>> >>> supervision. (although I like to point out that I also do see<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> progress).<br>> >>> Unfortunately sometimes things have to go worse before things<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> improve. (It<br>> >>> is called, everybody has to reinvent that same wheel)<br>> >>> This is my opinion and I do not experience the discussions as<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> intolerable,<br>> >>> au contraire. I get more and more insights in the persons that<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> shout and<br>> >>> curse. This is how they profile themselves, then that is how they<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> are. The<br>> >>> truth (with humans) is more often ugly then beautiful,<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> unfortunately. Deal<br>> >>> with it rather then keeping it at a distance.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Anouk<br>> >>><br>> >>> On Jun 15, 2013 11:03 PM, "Muriel Rovira Esteva"<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> <<a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a>><br>> >>> wrote:<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Hello,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> I fail to see how leaving this list as it is, and open a new one<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>> for<br>> >>>> people who likes to discuss differently is censoring anyone in any<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>> way. :)<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> In any case, it would be all the contrary, it would give the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>> oportunity<br>> >>>> to all those who may feel a bit intimidated here to say something<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>> to speak<br>> >>>> their mind and participate.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Best regards,<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Muriel<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> 2013/6/15 Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> It would help A TON... not to get away unpunished with blackmail<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> and<br>> >>>>> breaches of the Statutes...<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ... it is very difficult to feel respectful sympathy for crooks<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> that<br>> >>>>> fuck the rules.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Funny, this will be the second time you want things done right...<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> AFTER<br>> >>>>> consolidating benefits gathered doing things wrong.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> You can not ask for moderation against protest for things done<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> wrong...<br>> >>>>> to protect the consolidation of the benefits of your wrongdoing.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> That is nothing short of DICTATORIAL CENSORSHIP.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> You can have it, if the majority wishes it... but then the<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> majority<br>> >>>>> should grab for a mirror and see if it still recognizes a Pirate<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> in the<br>> >>>>> image.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Antonio.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ________________________________<br>> >>>>> From: <a href="mailto:muriel@pirata.cat">muriel@pirata.cat</a><br>> >>>>> Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:25:41 +0200<br>> >>>>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >>>>> Subject: [pp.int.general] Moderated PPI discussion list<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Hello,<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> I think is good that we keep this list unmoderated, for those who<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> enjoy<br>> >>>>> the rough style, but that we set up an alternative list open to<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> everyone,<br>> >>>>> but with a minimum set of mutual respect rules, for those who<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> prefer to<br>> >>>>> discuss without being insulted.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> This way we can benefit from everyone's contributions, and not<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> only<br>> >>>>> those who are tough enough to discuss in these terms or that have<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> the<br>> >>>>> know-how to set the adequate filters.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> In my experience, just knowing that there are some rules makes<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> people<br>> >>>>> much more respectful, which means that in practice rarely any<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> moderation is<br>> >>>>> needed.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Would the PPI board be willing to adopt the task of maintaining<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> such a<br>> >>>>> moderated discussion list?<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Of course, the board would be free to delegate this task, but<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> being an<br>> >>>>> official PPI mailing list would mean that the board could always<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> appoint a<br>> >>>>> different responsible in case of conflict, or if the interest of<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> the<br>> >>>>> appointed responsible faded out with time. :-)<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Best regards,<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Muriel<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:valio@visionsinteractive.ch">valio@visionsinteractive.ch</a> ha escrit:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> I would opt as well for an open, but moderated new list with<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> different<br>> >>>>> rules setup from the beginning, for those that prefer to avoid<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> flamewars and insults.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> I think there should be a place for free troll and flamewar<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> speech;<br>> >>>>> trying to argue who and who isn't a troll i.e. should be kicked<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> out is<br>> >>>>> often like arguing who and who isn't a pirate.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> There were discussions in the past without almost any rules. I<br>> >>>>> consider it difficult if not arbitrary to setup rules just like<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> so. If<br>> >>>>> rules are setup IMO it either should be decided by the list owner<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> or<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> in a sufficiently democratised process. Either one is not easily<br>> >>>>> attainable; especially if contrasted with the possibility of<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> setting<br>> >>>>> up a new list.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Furthermore I'd like to note, that for international coordinators<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> and<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> leaders already exists<br>> >>>>> an<br>> >>>>> internal ML setup by PPI itself.<br>> >>>>> And of course in most jurisdictions you usually also have the<br>> >>>>> possibility to sue people that insult you or provide a platform<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> for<br>> >>>>> that; just in case you think it gets really unacceptable for you.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> That's the easy way. Given you are already certain someone wants<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> to<br>> >>>>> troll, insult or flame you without any honest intention, why<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> argue<br>> >>>>> with them? After all you're likely a digital native and should<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> know<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> better what works and what not.<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> -pat<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ________________________________<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> ____________________________________________________ Pirate<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> Parties<br>> >>>>> International - General Talk<span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >>>>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> ____________________________________________________<br>> >>>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >>>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >>>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >>>><br>> >>><br>> >>> ____________________________________________________<br>> >>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> >>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >>><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> ____________________________________________________<br>> >> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> >> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> >> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><br>> >><br>><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br>> ____________________________________________________<br>> Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br>> <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>> <a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a><span class="ecxApple-converted-space"> </span><br></div></div>____________________________________________________<br>Pirate Parties International - General Talk<br><a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br><a href="http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general" target="_blank">http://lists.pirateweb.net/mailman/listinfo/pp.international.general</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div><br>____________________________________________________
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