<div dir="ltr">Trying to do an start of it in benicasim actually. In talks with jamendo and with associations from benicasim to let it be posible. <br><br><div style>Benicasim is a place in Spain where it has two relevant music festivals.. FIB and Rototom, in summer.</div>
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1. I had this dream once... (<a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a>)<br>
2. Re: I had this dream once... (Antonio Garcia)<br>
3. Re: Then... (<a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a>)<br>
4. Re: I had this dream once... (David van Deijk)<br>
5. Re: I had this dream once... (Zopokx)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200<br>
From: <a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
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...of pirate woodstock<br>
<br>
a festival...<br>
...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded<br>
...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone<br>
...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but<br>
where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over<br>
public wifi, remix with other and publish it<br>
...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to<br>
promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate<br>
radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a<br>
Flattr-like-mechanism<br>
...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none<br>
(or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to<br>
the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and<br>
are allowed to call yourself part of the event<br>
...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal<br>
<br>
because<br>
...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals<br>
...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is<br>
hardly eligible<br>
...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending<br>
on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art<br>
[1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]<br>
...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not<br>
constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of<br>
obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list<br>
[4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]<br>
...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not<br>
intended to be excluded by economical means<br>
...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and<br>
speaking about how we want the world<br>
<br>
Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.<br>
Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly noticed.<br>
Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call<br>
me an utopian fool.<br>
<br>
But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.<br>
The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we<br>
are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes<br>
crusted very soon.<br>
<br>
-pat<br>
<br>
[0] Creative Commons - CC0 license<br>
<a href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a><br>
[1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix <a href="http://everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.info/</a><br>
[2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ</a><br>
[3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.<br>
<a href="http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf</a><br>
[4] Love - Courtney Love does the math <a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/</a><br>
[5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content<br>
<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content</a><br>
[6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace<br>
<a href="https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a><br>
[7] Falkvinge - why are you here? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs</a><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 21:00:43 +0000<br>
From: Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
<<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
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Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it can't be built on lies.<br>
<br>
Lies do not marry emotions all that well.<br>
<br>
<br>
Antonio.<br>
<br>
<br>
> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200<br>
> From: <a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a><br>
> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
><br>
> ...of pirate woodstock<br>
><br>
> a festival...<br>
> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded<br>
> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone<br>
> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but<br>
> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over<br>
> public wifi, remix with other and publish it<br>
> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to<br>
> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate<br>
> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a<br>
> Flattr-like-mechanism<br>
> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none<br>
> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to<br>
> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and<br>
> are allowed to call yourself part of the event<br>
> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal<br>
><br>
> because<br>
> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals<br>
> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is<br>
> hardly eligible<br>
> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending<br>
> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art<br>
> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]<br>
> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not<br>
> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of<br>
> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list<br>
> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]<br>
> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not<br>
> intended to be excluded by economical means<br>
> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and<br>
> speaking about how we want the world<br>
><br>
> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.<br>
> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly noticed.<br>
> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call<br>
> me an utopian fool.<br>
><br>
> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.<br>
> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we<br>
> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes<br>
> crusted very soon.<br>
><br>
> -pat<br>
><br>
> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license<br>
> <a href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a><br>
> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix <a href="http://everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.info/</a><br>
> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ</a><br>
> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.<br>
> <a href="http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf</a><br>
> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math <a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/</a><br>
> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content<br>
> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content</a><br>
> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace<br>
> <a href="https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a><br>
> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs</a><br>
><br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:17:31 +0200<br>
From: <a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a><br>
To: Pirate Parties International -- General Talk<br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] Then...<br>
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...why are you here Antonio?<br>
...why do you stay here if you don't have a dream?<br>
...why do you keep telling us things we already know of is your opinion?<br>
...does it provide satisfaction to you?<br>
...is there any altruistic intent?<br>
...do you want to do something else in your life?<br>
<br>
I mean this in a humble, not sarcastic way.<br>
Have you ever bothered asked yourself these questions?<br>
<br>
Quoting Antonio Garcia <<a href="mailto:ningunotro@hotmail.com">ningunotro@hotmail.com</a>>:<br>
<br>
> Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it<br>
> can't be built on lies.<br>
><br>
> Lies do not marry emotions all that well.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Antonio.<br>
><br>
><br>
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
>><br>
>> ...of pirate woodstock<br>
>><br>
>> a festival...<br>
>> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded<br>
>> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone<br>
>> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but<br>
>> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over<br>
>> public wifi, remix with other and publish it<br>
>> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to<br>
>> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate<br>
>> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a<br>
>> Flattr-like-mechanism<br>
>> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none<br>
>> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to<br>
>> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and<br>
>> are allowed to call yourself part of the event<br>
>> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal<br>
>><br>
>> because<br>
>> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals<br>
>> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is<br>
>> hardly eligible<br>
>> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending<br>
>> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art<br>
>> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]<br>
>> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not<br>
>> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of<br>
>> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list<br>
>> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]<br>
>> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not<br>
>> intended to be excluded by economical means<br>
>> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and<br>
>> speaking about how we want the world<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.<br>
>> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are<br>
>> hardly noticed.<br>
>> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call<br>
>> me an utopian fool.<br>
>><br>
>> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.<br>
>> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we<br>
>> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes<br>
>> crusted very soon.<br>
>><br>
>> -pat<br>
>><br>
>> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license<br>
>> <a href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a><br>
>> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix <a href="http://everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.info/</a><br>
>> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords<br>
>> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ</a><br>
>> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.<br>
>> <a href="http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf</a><br>
>> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math<br>
>> <a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/</a><br>
>> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content<br>
>> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content</a><br>
>> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace<br>
>> <a href="https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a><br>
>> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs</a><br>
>><br>
>> ____________________________________________________<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 23:21:22 +0200<br>
From: David van Deijk <<a href="mailto:davidd@piratenpartij.nl">davidd@piratenpartij.nl</a>><br>
To: <<a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a>><br>
Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
Message-ID: <<a href="mailto:a5dc25a21658331ec1087f637e6de2f6@piratenpartij.nl">a5dc25a21658331ec1087f637e6de2f6@piratenpartij.nl</a>><br>
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For people like you i have organised a special party.<br>
<br>
It's called the "bitter" party. only bitter people are allowed.<br>
<br>
We will party with coffee that has gone cold, black chocolate, brussels<br>
sprouts and chicory (raw).<br>
<br>
people that still have a glimmer of hope left can go to Valio's party<br>
instead. only embittered people are welcome at my party.<br>
<br>
Cheers.<br>
<br>
Antonio Garcia schreef op 29.06.2013 23:00:<br>
> Brussels/Kazan did everything possible to kill that dream, as it<br>
> can't<br>
> be built on lies.<br>
><br>
> Lies do not marry emotions all that well.<br>
><br>
> Antonio.<br>
><br>
>> Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2013 22:37:43 +0200<br>
>> From: <a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a><br>
>> To: <a href="mailto:pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net">pp.international.general@lists.pirateweb.net</a><br>
>> Subject: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
>><br>
>> ...of pirate woodstock<br>
>><br>
>> a festival...<br>
>> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded<br>
>> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone<br>
>> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors,<br>
> but<br>
>> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over<br>
>> public wifi, remix with other and publish it<br>
>> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to<br>
>> promote their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate<br>
><br>
>> radio, stage w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by<br>
> a<br>
>> Flattr-like-mechanism<br>
>> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none<br>
>> (or at least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying<br>
> to<br>
>> the rules stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and<br>
><br>
>> are allowed to call yourself part of the event<br>
>> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal<br>
>><br>
>> because<br>
>> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals<br>
>> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that<br>
> is<br>
>> hardly eligible<br>
>> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't<br>
> depending<br>
>> on current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all<br>
> art<br>
>> [1] without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]<br>
>> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not<br>
>> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead<br>
> of<br>
>> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart<br>
> list<br>
>> [4]) and are told you are producing "content" [5]<br>
>> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is<br>
> not<br>
>> intended to be excluded by economical means<br>
>> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and<br>
>> speaking about how we want the world<br>
>><br>
>> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.<br>
>> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly<br>
> noticed.<br>
>> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll<br>
> call<br>
>> me an utopian fool.<br>
>><br>
>> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.<br>
>> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why<br>
> we<br>
>> are here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes<br>
>> crusted very soon.<br>
>><br>
>> -pat<br>
>><br>
>> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license<br>
>> <a href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a><br>
>> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix <a href="http://everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.info/</a><br>
>> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords<br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ</a><br>
>> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.<br>
>><br>
><br>
> <a href="http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf</a><br>
>> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math<br>
> <a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/</a><br>
>> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content<br>
>> <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content</a><br>
>> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace<br>
>> <a href="https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a><br>
>> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here?<br>
> <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs</a><br>
>><br>
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Piratenpartij Nederland<br>
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Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2013 00:05:33 +0200<br>
From: Zopokx <<a href="mailto:zopokx@gmail.com">zopokx@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [pp.int.general] I had this dream once...<br>
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I love it <3<br>
El 29/06/2013 22:37, <<a href="mailto:pirate@valio.ch">pirate@valio.ch</a>> escribi?:<br>
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> ...of pirate woodstock<br>
><br>
> a festival...<br>
> ...whose infrastructure is crowdfounded<br>
> ...where all financial requirements are openly visibly for everyone<br>
> ...where there is no clear line inbetween musicians and visitors, but<br>
> where everyone shall bring their cc0-ed [0] music, share it over public<br>
> wifi, remix with other and publish it<br>
> ...where everyone gets the chance by a random number generator to promote<br>
> their music (or art) in a way that ze finds suitable (pirate radio, stage<br>
> w/ streaming, remixed video, ...) and gets rewarded by a<br>
> Flattr-like-mechanism<br>
> ...which does not take place in a single country, but several; none (or at<br>
> least: not all) centrally organized if possible; by applying to the rules<br>
> stated above, you get on the stream channels of others and are allowed to<br>
> call yourself part of the event<br>
> ...that is as pirate as possible without getting way to illegal<br>
><br>
> because<br>
> ...we don't need huge corporations to organize huge festivals<br>
> ...we don't need intermediaries that take profits in an amount that is<br>
> hardly eligible<br>
> ...we don't need anyone to tell who is worthy and who isn't depending on<br>
> current mainstream traits, which are nothing but remixes as all art [1]<br>
> without someone else playing a similar piece of music [2]<br>
> ...we want a world where you get a chance as an artist and are not<br>
> constantly told that your income problem is primary piracy (instead of<br>
> obscurity [3]), are often exploited (even if you're on the chart list [4])<br>
> and are told you are producing "content" [5]<br>
> ...we want a world that is united in the cyberspace [6] and one is not<br>
> intended to be excluded by economical means<br>
> ...we need a counterculture instead of just reacting to news and speaking<br>
> about how we want the world<br>
><br>
> Yes, I know this is not politics, but activism.<br>
> Yes, I know there are initiatives at a small level, which are hardly<br>
> noticed.<br>
> Yes, I know this is probably beyond our possibilities and you'll call me<br>
> an utopian fool.<br>
><br>
> But if we are to follow the way down, I'm afraid we loose the fun.<br>
> The fun that is necessary to bear with politics, not to forget why we are<br>
> here [7] and not getting just another movement that becomes crusted very<br>
> soon.<br>
><br>
> -pat<br>
><br>
> [0] Creative Commons - CC0 license <a href="http://creativecommons.org/**" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/**</a><br>
> publicdomain/zero/1.0/ <<a href="http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/" target="_blank">http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/</a>><br>
> [1] Ferguson - Everything is a remix <a href="http://everythingisaremix." target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.</a>**info/<<a href="http://everythingisaremix.info/" target="_blank">http://everythingisaremix.info/</a>><br>
> [2] The Axis of Awesome - 4 Chords <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?**" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?**</a><br>
> v=oOlDewpCfZQ <<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOlDewpCfZQ</a>><br>
> [3] Doctorow - the problem isn't piracy. the problem is obscurity.<br>
> <a href="http://www.write4kids.com/**blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/**05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/**blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/**05/doctorow.pdf</a><<a href="http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.write4kids.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/doctorow.pdf</a>><br>
> [4] Love - Courtney Love does the math <a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/**" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/**</a><br>
> 14/love_7/ <<a href="http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2000/06/14/love_7/</a>><br>
> [5] Stallman - Words to avoid - Content <a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/**" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/**</a><br>
> words-to-avoid.html#Content<<a href="http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content" target="_blank">http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Content</a>><br>
> [6] Barlow - A Declaration of the Independence of Cyberspace<br>
> <a href="https://projects.eff.org/~**barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~**barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a><<a href="https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html" target="_blank">https://projects.eff.org/~barlow/Declaration-Final.html</a>><br>
> [7] Falkvinge - why are you here? <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?**" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?**</a><br>
> v=nCbRX1YEqrs <<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCbRX1YEqrs</a>><br>
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